The Adwaita Icon Theme no longer follows the FDO icon naming spec breaking KDE applications on Fedora 40 Workstation and Co. See the concrete state of the issue in the linked article.

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    7 months ago

    I agree app indicators are a very strange concept, but the alternative is an app using an extension to place itself in the quicksettings or similar.

    Like: Syncthing, Nextcloud, VPN apps. How would they display their small info and sync status?

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      7 months ago

      Notifications, you can have the app fire a notification when it’s synced or disconnects for example. Gnome is working on better notifications right now. Tablets, chromebooks, cell phones… have been doing fine without appindicators; people just have a hard time changing their habits.

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          7 months ago

          Notifications are more effective at displaying a change of status than a tiny icon turning red. What’s important to someone is gonna vary on a case by case basis, sometimes getting an email is an urgent notification, you can easily turn off the ones you don’t care for or go into DND mode.

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            At least for us, notifications aren’t something you can really glance at similarly to app indicators. They’re usually text heavy, only really work for longer tasks for readability (which syncing usually isn’t), and are always obscured behind another popup for persistent notifications. Persistent notifications also take up more space within the notifications popup, rather than a small icon that you can easily glance at to know what’s happening.

            As for programs not staying in the task manager, they usually take up less space if open as an app indicator, being able to be passively open but not take up as much space.

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              The problem is when you allow one developer its own applet, every application wants one, and suddenly you have 15 applets. Applications need to figure out alternative design patterns to achieve the same result or sidestep the problem.
              There’s this saying, out of sight, out of mind, do you really need to have a constant eye on every application? When there’s an actual change you get a notification.

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        7 months ago

        On Android apps abuse the persistant notification for just that, while app indicators or a specific area to place those would be way better.

        I mostly mute the notifications as they are so annoying, but it is very bad to not have them too.