Some key points:

  • nuclear causes fewer deaths, both animal and human alike
  • nuclear takes up far less space, and therefore destroys far less of the environment compared to solar farms, hydro, or wind farms
  • nuclear is stable and not an intermittent source, no issues with grid storage, unlike renewables, which currently solve this with fossil peaker plants
  • nuclear is hard to turn off so to meet fluctuating demand solely on it, you’d need an excess of nuclear, which is a waste
  • nuclear excess could encourage other use of electricity, such as electric heating or transport, however
  • nuclear when it does go bad, goes really bad, mostly in that a large area has to be abandoned for a long long time (historically still fewer deaths than renewables per unit of energy produced tho)
  • nuclear can cause the proliferation of nuclear weapons
  • nuclear is a lot harder to spin up, requires extensive education and is hard and takes a long time to build a plant, compared to renewables
  • all that nuclear waste and no plan other than shove it in somewhere, in a mountain, and keep it secret, keep it safe.

Yay or Nay?

What say you?

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I think nuclear will be necessary at least temporarily in order to get off fossil fuels fast enough to stop climate change maybe after that we can try for more renewable energy sources and rely less on nuclear power luckily there seem to be some recent technological advancements where it has been discovered how to use the waste to produce more energy another way but you’re right, I am concerned about capitalists cutting corners to save money and causing deaths that were entirely preventable

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There are 3 big political cons that are missing in your list:

  • nuclear requires a looooooot of money(and time) so the owners would probably be private holdings, not only the state
  • nuclear safety requires something very near to 0 corruption
  • (maybe) in a democratic confederalism or an anarchosocialism society requires too big coordination

Said that, I never support the ‘‘renewables are intermittent’’ point… Right now they have this issue because they are in low number and there are stocking issue and it’s mostly one source per place (like solar in sunny places and hydro in mountain places). We can have waaaaaayy more solar panels, wind turbines etc. Saying right now they are intermittent is just a biased point.

I agree with @sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net , anything practical would do. Right now it’s late to have nuclear energy in a lot of places, so the discussion is even kinda pointless, we don’t have 30years and mld of euros to build them before the climate really hits us. Even if we start now, we still need something else quicker to build and other ways to reduce the usage! (a lot of ‘‘pro nuclear’’ people think that we just need a lot of nuclear to then keep doing everything we do now cause clean energy = no emissions)

So ye, I think it’s good to use nuclear and to not close the centrals that are already up, but using ‘‘let’s build more’’ is not a practical plan right now. We are late :)

@zksmk
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nuclear safety requires something very near to 0 corruption

Oh definitely, I’d never want my country to build a nuclear fission plant, due to how incompetent and corrupt both the system and mentality around doing these kind of things is around here. I’d be way too worried the thing would explode (despite all the safety measures) because somebody washed some money through the project, the funding got cut beyond safety limits or somebody simply got lazy and didn’t do proper maintenance, alas. Ty, but no ty, at least for another half a century, we’re not mature enough. I’m sure this applies to many poorer and smaller countries across the globe.

Fusion I’d feel safe with, but that’s a dream within a dream.

Said that, I never support the ‘‘renewables are intermittent’’ point

I do wish we had better developed and more universal grid storage tech than just pumped hydro. A large/continental-sized grid is cool and all, but energy independence is still important in geopolitics unfortunately, and simply in practical terms in general too.

@ex_06
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I do wish we had better developed and more universal grid storage tech than just pumped hydro. A large/continental-sized grid is cool and all, but energy independence is still important in geopolitics unfortunately, and simply in practical terms in general too

You are right, I was thinking more about central/west europe where something like this should be easily achievable

sj_zero
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Seems like a false dichotomy to me.

We cannot survive on either nuclear or renewables alone. We need every form of energy we can get our hands on, anything practical.

Eventually even people who think that fossil fuels aren’t going to destroy the earth are going to have to deal with the reality that there are limited resources on this earth that are easily accessible. Thing is, energy isn’t a luxury; it’s a requirement for life. We need energy for nearly everything we do, and there is no shortcut or cheat code. We need energy to eat, we need energy to rest, we need energy to make it through summers, we need energy to make it through winters. Without enough sustainable energy in whatever form that takes, there will be a genocide.

So if there’s a form of energy we can make use of, we must. If it’s going to be energy positive, we need it.

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Seems like a false dichotomy to me.

Oh, agreed, personally. There’s room for all these technologies, and sometimes even a necessity for only some of them, due to a lack of proper alternatives in some places. And it’s not always the same technology. There’s no one size fits all answer, for every place on Earth.

This is a debate worth having only in a specific localized context, and not to find some generalized rule imo. I never understood why it had to be either/or.

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