• Neato@ttrpg.networkEnglish
    54·
    5 months ago

    Arguably Pokemon is just a dog fighting simulator. They even have “the dogs love to fight and love their owners!” propaganda built in.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      5 months ago

      The way I see it, video games are an area either outside of morality or with their own morality.

      Like I enjoy war games. In CK3, I invade and push my religion and culture to try to make the map all one colour ruled by preferably me, but if not me then preferably my dynasty, and if not that then preferably my religion. If a rebellion or heresy starts, I try to stamp it out ASAP.

      Anyone who does any of that in real life is fucking evil.

      Lots of games have very flimsy motivations for the conflicts. X race hates y race is so common in fantasy games, generally unchallenged, too.

      In shooters, most are “you follow your orders or you lose”. Even the ones that explore the whole moral side of actions will usually make you do the questionable stuff so your character can question it later.

      • marcos@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        5 months ago

        I’m in perfect agreement. But you can’t build an animal-fighting game and then try to claim adding guns is immoral.

      • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        13·
        5 months ago

        Sometimes, games serve to build situations that help you understand how some immoral behaviors may become widespread in a given context.

        You use CK3, for example: anyone would agree today that ordering your children to marry the prince or princess of the duchy of Wheredafuckisit is immoral, but when doing so could be the difference between having a political ally or not to help you out defend against some warmongering neighbour, it’s easy to see that the only rulers that did remain rulers were the ones who didn’t hold personal liberty in high regard.

        What I mean to say is that a Zoroastrian incest simulator is a great way to provide people with sociological education.

      • Zahille7@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        5 months ago

        Me IRL: slavery is evil, we should tax the rich 1000%, all that good stuff.

        Me in Kenshi: time to put an entire nation to the torch just because their guy said some bullshit about my race one time. Also, I’ll enslave a couple cities along the way; gotta feed/stock my war machine, after all.

    • wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social
      19·
      5 months ago

      people overlook it, but Conan Exiles was like that too. you could go around to different NPC tribes, knock them out, kidnap them, bring them back to your base, and then break their spirit.

      after that you could put them to work doing various things. some could be cooks, archers, warriors, etc.

      most of the success to be found in that game involved a large stable of slaves to do shit for you.

      • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        5 months ago

        Well, slavery is a huge topic in the Conan stories, it is modeled in a rather slavery heavy time period, hence why the gameplay fits so well with the theme. Characters falling into, escaping or being rescued from slavery was a constant trope of those books.