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      Oh I don’t know, any respected dietician or nutritionist just telling you to focus on macronutrient balance to get the proper 500 calorie deficit from maintenance to lose 1 pound a week?

      Or maybe https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18025815/

      Or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8017325/

      Or https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/diets-weight-loss-carbohydrate-protein-fat/

      Maybe stop looking to psuedo-science that just wants to sell you a product, meal plan, or supplement and just accept it’s very basic. This fucking thread article literally says he wants to develop and sell a drug to counteract fructose. Or maybe just maybe take some accountability and just enjoy fructose containing foods in a caloric moderation and boom you’re not obese. This is BASIC thermogenic energy management. 90% of a healthy diet is consistency in caloric intake. The rest regarding timing, macros, micros, food quality are all supplementary to reach your goals. But setting being NOT OBESE as the BARE MINIMUM GOAL, it’s so fucking easy to just reduce daily calories.

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        From your second link:

        Our review indicated that there is no single best strategy for weight management

        Obesogenic environments and biological and psychological factors all contribute to obesity.

        However, energy intake and energy expenditure are dynamic processes influenced by body weight and influence each other. Thus, interventions aimed at creating an energy deficit through the diet are countered by physiological adaptations that resist weight loss.

        Moreover, metabolic adaptations to decrease energy expenditure can lead to a plateau with this type of diet, which individuals may misinterpret as “failure” due to “lack of willpower.”

        See? The scientists you quoted took a stab at you

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          “According to a meta-analysis of several diet programs, calorie restriction was the primary driver of weight loss, followed by macronutrient composition.” It’s like your reading comprehension is designed to just find your own biases and accept them unequivocally. Cope.

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            Look in the mirror

            You’re acting like it’s trivial. Obesity wouldn’t be common if it was trivial

            Your own sources says why it’s hard and you’re pretending you didn’t see it

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              Nah mate you’re delusional. If we’re talking the LOWEST BAR POSSIBLE: don’t be obese. It’s so simple to just intake less calories. We’re not saying lose body fat, get into shape, become an athlete, or 12% bf. Just literally set your bmi ( a bullshit measurement anyway) to AT MINIMUM overweight.

              Yes it’s ludicrously trivial and requires you to just stop eating so much. The same fucking method vets have your dog do when they weigh too much.

              As I said elsewhere, calories and consistency are 90%, everything else is to optimize your goal. And the vast majority of people are lazy morons who can’t stay consistent.

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                Let me guess, you’ve literally never heard of the concept that the body reduces energy expenditure and increases hunger when you eat significantly less? (despite both being mentioned in the previous linked research)

                Or alternatively, you’re in full denial over it and think that doesn’t happen?

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                  That literally doesn’t happen the way you think it does. A normal reduction of calories for A POUND A WEEK is 500 calories. In no universe is that significant. You don’t suddenly start feeling like your starving and your body doesn’t shut down metabolic processes just because you omitted a muffin worth of calories at breakfast. You really are so fucking delusional. Not to mention, it’s thermogenically impossible for you to stop intaking energy and gain weight. It doesn’t slow to a crawl and stop. It spends a short waiting period to refill adipose lipids, and when it came out guess back to the normal rate. I more than understand survival instinct to eat when you stop eating as much. But you’re in control of your own desires.

                  Obese and morbidly obese people only have themselves and their lackadaisical care for their own health to blame. If it’s in your control, you either want something enough, or you make excuses.

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                    Strawman, you’re making up stuff I haven’t said

                    You don’t suddenly start feeling like your starving

                    Blatantly false according to science from the last 3 decades

                    and your body doesn’t shut down metabolic processes

                    It slows them down, it takes a fair bit more before they shut down

                    just because you omitted a muffin worth of calories at breakfast

                    Strawman, and you know it. Losing weight requires eating much less than a normal person does, for many people you have to eat 1/2 - 1/3 as much to for the body to burn body fat because otherwise you only feel more tired when you don’t have enough available calories

                    it’s thermogenically impossible for you to stop intaking energy and gain weight.

                    Strawman and you know it

                    It spends a short waiting period to refill adipose lipids, and when it came out guess back to the normal rate

                    For a substantial fraction of the population this is a blatant lie, it does not return to normal energy expenditure for YEARS when the body notices that your stored fat is depleting. You have not read any science from the last 3 decades if you believe otherwise.