A now-former employee at a Michigan middle school allegedly choked a 14-year-old student with a shirt, in an incident captured on surveillance footage.
The teen’s parents are calling for charges against the now-former coach.
As is posted every single time someone comments this, until convicted you are “alleged” to have committed a crime.
No one should want that to change, because any group that is deemed to require summary punishments will be the group dissidents are identified as by the state.
Don’t like protestors? They’re all pedos now! No trials needed. Thank god we got all those pedos.
The “Alleged” is there to protect your rights. Even the most heinous crimes should be charged in court.
I see the point, but still think it’s a misuse of the word “alleged”. There is no doubt here that the teacher was strangling the kid: That part is on video, and is true whether or not they’re convicted of a crime for it. Whether the strangling was a crime, or whether there were mediating circumstances that make it not a crime is what remains to be determined.
I just think we should be able to separate between “person allegedly committed a crime”, which needs to be proven in court, or “person did XYZ and there is video evidence and multiple independent eyewitnesses accounts of it”, which shouldn’t need to be proven in court.
It’s not up to a newspaper to declare any person as a criminal. “Alleged” is the only word they can use legally. And if we allow them to label people as criminals, all the hell will break lose.
I absolutely agree that newspapers shouldn’t be allowed to label someone as a criminal before they have been sentenced. My point is that there’s a difference between reporting indisputable facts about an event, and reporting that those facts make someone a criminal.
Reporting that “Video shows person X shooting person Y”. Is different from reporting “Person X committed murder by shooting person Y”, because in the second case you are reporting that they committed a crime, when they may be acquitted of murder in court for any number of reasons. Reporting that “Person X allegedly shot and killed person Y according to this video” makes it seem like there’s any doubt about whether that happened.
“allegedly”
“on video”
As is posted every single time someone comments this, until convicted you are “alleged” to have committed a crime.
No one should want that to change, because any group that is deemed to require summary punishments will be the group dissidents are identified as by the state.
Don’t like protestors? They’re all pedos now! No trials needed. Thank god we got all those pedos.
The “Alleged” is there to protect your rights. Even the most heinous crimes should be charged in court.
I see the point, but still think it’s a misuse of the word “alleged”. There is no doubt here that the teacher was strangling the kid: That part is on video, and is true whether or not they’re convicted of a crime for it. Whether the strangling was a crime, or whether there were mediating circumstances that make it not a crime is what remains to be determined.
I just think we should be able to separate between “person allegedly committed a crime”, which needs to be proven in court, or “person did XYZ and there is video evidence and multiple independent eyewitnesses accounts of it”, which shouldn’t need to be proven in court.
It’s not up to a newspaper to declare any person as a criminal. “Alleged” is the only word they can use legally. And if we allow them to label people as criminals, all the hell will break lose.
I absolutely agree that newspapers shouldn’t be allowed to label someone as a criminal before they have been sentenced. My point is that there’s a difference between reporting indisputable facts about an event, and reporting that those facts make someone a criminal.
Reporting that “Video shows person X shooting person Y”. Is different from reporting “Person X committed murder by shooting person Y”, because in the second case you are reporting that they committed a crime, when they may be acquitted of murder in court for any number of reasons. Reporting that “Person X allegedly shot and killed person Y according to this video” makes it seem like there’s any doubt about whether that happened.
The “alleged” is there to protect the news org from a libel lawsuit if the accused gets exonerated. They don’t give a shit about your rights.
How about their usage here which is:
It’s quoting someone if you read the rest of that paragraph.
What is with everyone on Lemmy constantly overexplaining things?
It’s a sarcastic commentary on the situation. It doesn’t automatically mean I hate fair justice systems. Holy shit.
Because this exact same joke is posted on every single article containing the word “alleged”.