That’s a prima facie violation of separation of church and state
Separation of church and state is not technically a law. However, SCOTUS ruled against exactly this in Stone v. Graham. My fear is that states are doing this to bait it back to our newly conservative SCOTUS.
More than 40 years ago, in Stone v. Graham, the Supreme Court overturned a similar state statute, holding that the First Amendment bars public schools from posting the Ten Commandments in classrooms. No other state requires the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public schools.
Yeah, well, if the fascists take over and try to codify Christian theocracy into our laws, that’s a thing that I actually do think would start a civil war.
The problem with civil war isn’t the justification, but the success against modern governmental warfare armaments.
What I’m saying is that this would incite state governments to rebel against the federal, perhaps taking (or convincing, or co-opting, or outright capturing) the military assets for their own interests.
You’re ignoring that the law states that the Commandments are “foundational documents of our state and national government.”
As you may be aware, it was very important to the Founders that people have no other gods and not make graven images. The U.S. Constitution specifically forbids taking the Lord’s name in vain. And of course, it is required to keep the Sabbath holy.
No coveting, either, whether it be houses, wives, or animals. Those are right out.
Your dry sarcasm leaves me parched. I’m here for it.
God damn it.
Would be awesome to have a t-shirt or bumper sticker with these 2 lines.
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Baal
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Yahweh
Edit: or even better, deface every public copy of the 10 commandments by writing this on it.
Or just add at the bottom:
- Fuck pornstars and pay them to keep quiet.
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Taking the Lord’s name in vain? Straight to jail.
A good friend of mine is a Lutheran pastor. She explained that, contrary to what I was taught in Catholic school, “taking the Lord’s name in vain” doesn’t mean swearing or saying “god damn it.” It means to bring up god or religion for your personal benefit. And, you know, of course it does. It’s amazing how religious schooling gives people permission to twist language around like that.
Commanding Yahweh to bring damnation in order to satisfy your personal frustration is exactly that.
It’s historical …. Our historical right to own slaves
I’d be surprised if the Satanic Temple didn’t already have legislation in the works to address this.
Reminds me, gotta donate to those guys
Join us! It’s the best money i spend
Way to invite all the trolls to display other religious iconography in your schools, Louisiana. The Satanist Creed, The Pastafarian Recipe for Enlightenment, the Festivus Rules for Stating Grievances… all is fair now.
The real answer is to display all the other hundreds of Jewish laws in the classroom too, in the “spirit of the law”. Have a class lesson on Jewish law and its interpretation. Send the kids home asking questions about why cheeseburgers are immoral.
Or how you can go to hell 4 times for cooking a bacon cheeseburger on Friday after sundown while wearing polyester pants and cotton underwear.
There is no concept of hell in the old testament. That’s something the new Testament added on.
These are the best kind of responses. The ones where I have heard so many stupid things coming from religion that I can’t tell whether or not you’re serious.
I can tell you why three of them are problematic:
- No bacon because pork isn’t kosher.
- Polyester and cotton are mixed fabrics.
- You can’t cook an animal in the milk of it’s mother, so no cheeseburgers.
edit: as pointed out below, cooking on the Sabbath is the fourth.
Also the Sabbath, baby!
Oh, duh. I knew that, lol.
I applaud your time traveling prowess, Louisiana, even if you’re only capable of going backwards.
Unconstitutional state laws can’t be upheld just because a state goes bananas.
What if the SCOTUS has gone bananas at the same time?
Amendment would come first.
Legislators should somehow bear the costs of the lawsuits brought about by clearly unconstitutional laws, sort of like SLAPP-back laws.
But it is an interesting question I’d like to know more about. Does anyone know of good comparative religion sources based on core laws? People in general seem to have similar morals that I often wondered whether modern religions are all that different. Of course they have different rituals and appearances, but are the core laws any different? If other religions have something equivalent to the Ten Commandments, how much overlap is there?
If I lived in Louisiana, I’d demand that this was posted right next to it. I’m not even a believer (I’m apatheist, FWIW). But The Satanic Temple just doesn’t have the shock value that it used to. Use the real thing; go for maximum shock value.
I also demand the 8 “I rather you didn’t” of the Pastafarians also be next to this.
What problem is this even trying to solve? What a waste of everyone’s time.
They just want to force their religion of others through politics. There’s nothing worse than the mixing of politics and religion.
How does Louisiana feel about beating the hell out of kids? I wondered so searched and results were primarily about kids being killed by beating. Not quite what I wanted, another search said Lousisana was rankied 49 in child well being. Yeah, that’s a little closer, but still not what I wanted. Per the Bible, you’re supposed to strike a kid with a rod to save their souls from sheol (which is another word for hell). Search says it’s Proverbs 23:14, though I’m not gonna look, there are several different variants. My question is, since the bible actually says to beat the hell out of kids, has Lousiana immunized parents who do so? Or is this just more religious BS? Shove the 10 commandments down kids throats but still jail parents who beat the sheol out of kids? Legal contradictions.
Edit: Found it: Louisiana Child Abuse Laws - FindLaw
It seems it’s illegal to beat the hell out of kids, but that’s pretty much what the bible tells parents to do. Posting the 10 commandments is some kind of police state entrapment.
Guess it’s time to display this in every classroom then: https://www.bible-tencommandments.com/10-C-Languages/10-C-Arabic.htm
Or just the 10 commandments translated to the language taught in language classes. Seeing the phrases drilled down into your head for years in another language is interesting.
Elected GOP leaders get a waiver from following them
You know who probably lobbies for this hot, unconstitutional garbage behind closed doors? Not the religious right.
Lawyers.
HB71 should be called The
Shithole StateLouisiana Attorney Employment Act, because this is going to need a ton of lawyers.Lawyers to sue about its unconstitutionality.
Lawyers to defend its constitutionality.
Lawyers that represent Islam, Pastafarianism, Hinduism, etc. that want all aboard this state-promotion-of-religion train.
Quick! Can someone PLEASE mow down a bunch of 6 Year Olds with Guns so I can PRETEND to care about the Constitution again?
It’s still (moderately) difficult to find a bunch of 6 year olds with guns. But the way things are going, I’m sure that will be remedied before long.
THE Ten Commandments?
Can we make new ones? Like, I’ve blown that one about shouting Jehovah in frustration, so we should just ditch it - too hard - and go with “don’t be a dick – wil Wheaton” - WITH the attribution - and maybe swap out some others too.
My neighbor’s wife has a pretty donkey, if I’m honest, and I’m told gawking at it is verboten if it’s also his. It’s a lot of math, I think.
Supreme court time!
I’m sure the guy with the appeal to heaven flag will get right on this.
If anything, they’ll confirm that this is now a national requirement.
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