A joint U.S.-Mexico topographical survey found that 787 feet of the 995-feet-long buoy line set up by Texas are in Mexico.
Sounds like Mexico can just take down most of this thing.
Edit: As a US citizen, I support Mexico’s immigration services to detain any Texas construction workers that illegally cross the border to service this thing.
I also would support the governor of this region of Mexico to put these construction workers on a bus and drop them deep in the heart of Mexico somewhere.
They should. Send Abbott a bill for polluting their waterway too, while they’re at it.
Probably the only reason Mexico hasn’t already pulled it out is because they don’t want to waste money that they know will never be reimbursed to them.
Maybe the US will take it down and bill Texas themselves.
Removing it has to be cheaper than installing it. Bleed Abbott if he wants to play this game.
Depends how much cheaper I guess. Texas is about 70% richer than Mexico (by GDP)
As funny as it would be, taking it out on construction workers who probably didn’t choose to be there seems a little unfair
They should just be drowned. That’s the purpose for this barrier, so I think it’d be fair to drown anyone working to construct it. (I don’t condone drowning the workers, but the workers should stand up against their employers due to drowning risk. If they don’t listen, maybe they should have an “accident” and “drown” instead and the workers take control.)
Every state’s geography has different challenges. Texas is blessed with natural resources and rich farmland. It is a rich state. Spending that money on murder buoys instead of immigration services is a crime against humanity.
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Yes and it’s causing deaths (it has nets under it), so the US govt is not best pleased.
The state of Texas has to deal with the problem a lot more than the feds do.
Too bad for Texas that the constitution outlines that only the federal government has the right to deal with other countries. Both the Treaty Clause and Logan Act cover this base. Texas is wrong.
Their current solution illegally crosses the border itself.
Texas has much bigger problems they should be dealing with. Having a reliable grid should be a much bigger priority than the border, but Texas would rather kill people (at the border, or just in their own homes during a snowstorm) than fix their actual problems.
But hey, that’s the republican MO.
Having control of the border is not a partisan issue.
Killing people with buoy saws and nets is absolutely not a partisan issue. What is that we’re discussing here, again?
There’s an easy way to avoid the murder buoy saws called “stop crossing the border illegally”.
If only you could use your eyes. There were never any saws only scallop edged plates designed to keep people from being able to grab between the buoys and slide through. The nets can also be understood to be barriers In place to stop people from diving under the bouys. Without seeing a picture of the nets, I cannot make any claims to their danger because they could be a fine mesh or they could be a rope net. One would be stubstantially more dangerous than the other.
The vast majority of illegal immigrants overstay their visas. You’re looking at the southern border, you should be looking at airports
You seriously think Texas has to deal with more immigration than the entirety of the rest of the U.S.?
Critical thinking really needs to be taught in school.
I think that TEXAS has to deal with illegal immigration across the TEXAS boarder into TEXAS. I said nothing about anywhere else and the amount of immigrants they have to deal with.
The Border Patrol and Customs (in the Department of Homeland Security) is actually responsible for securing borders. States do not get to decide how their borders are enforced.
We all have to deal with illegal immigration, most of which doesn’t even happen on the southern border. We manage to do it without building death traps or tricking people into getting on busses and sending them to states we don’t like.
I know Texas and Abbot think they’re special but they’re wrong.
I mean, states DO get to determine a hell of a lot about their borders.
Immigration mostly isn’t one, though.
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In the water, so anyone trying to swim across would drown.
Don’t try to cross borders illegally. You get what you deserve.
I would rather have any number of undocumented immigrants here than people like you.
And some of them would gladly take your life if it meant they got it to be part of the cool kids club. (Gang initiations)
And some of them would gladly take your life if it meant they got it to be part of the cool kids club. (Gang initiations)
I honestly don’t know if you’re referring to illegal immigrants or the police in America.
I’m more worried about the police killing me than an illegal immigrant, but that’s because I live in the real world.
Where is MS13 from?
The US, actually. Then exported to Central America by irresponsible US deportations.
Mexico, but where is the blue badge gang from?
One of them is a real threat to average Americans, and hint: it isn’t ms13.
We have plenty of those domestically already. People are people, and y’all qaeda down there isn’t exactly the shining example of civilization you think it is.
Big words coming from a guy who lives in a country where your own citizens are gunning down others every day multiple times per day.
Maybe try to fix your own country first instead of blaming others?
Yeah, gang crime. The vast vast majority of gun deaths in America, aside from suicides are known criminals who shouldn’t own guns in the first place.
Then fix your gun laws
Immigrants are, on average, less violent and more productive than the average American. I say we toss you out and trade up.
Source on that? And make sure it’s Illegal immigrants not all immigrants.
Sure. Here’s a few: https://news.wisc.edu/undocumented-immigrants-far-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-in-u-s-than-citizens/
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says (The Cato institute is a libertarian institute. Libertarian should mean socially liberal, including more friendly with immigrants and more towards open borders, but they’re usually conservative.)
I’m not going to spend all day finding you more. It’s easy to research. I doubt it matters how many sources I provide, but you can find whichever ones you like. There’s plenty of data on it.
Wait, when did we start talking about police?
Ah yes, a person’s value as a human being is reduced to nothing the second they cross an imaginary line decided by folks that have long since died. Makes perfect sense. /s
I share your sentiment however despite the “looks” the actual line does not matter much. It’s about what you have to do to gain rights. Is traveling across some line and being desperate enough to grant this person rights? (Like right to work/live in some community/country)? Or are some additional hoops needed? If they’re needed why should anybody allow other people rights just for traveling across the line? Isn’t it unfair to these who spent years of work trying to go through proper procedure? Maybe it’s okay if somebody is desperate? But then what is the measure of “desperate” - it’s a pretty unclear term.
I take it you disagree with the concept of countries?
“Hey man I’m not too stoked on ice cream”
“What do you have against brownies???”
That’s what you sound like.
They called borders imaginary. That kind of hints at their worldview.
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Trying to move somewhere for a better life for your family, your sentence is death.
Get a fucking grip.
There’s legal avenues for that.
Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that you thinking someone deserves death for an illegal border crossing shows how fucked your mindset is
They call that Fuck around and find out. Actions have consequences. They knew what they were doing was dangerous.
What a meaningless and cynical cliche
You sound like a meal team sixer
The vast majority of illegal immigration is done by people overstaying visas. Take you’re racist uninformed and sickening list for injury and death and shove it up your ass
And that makes illegal border crossers not exist? Just because there’s another problem doesn’t mean there can’t be two problems at once.
Speaking of the law, it’s only a civil violation, fash.
@livus @superkret @themeatbridge
That’s a very simplistic and apathetic response to a human being dying …
I bet you support the death penalty for people that steal a loaf of bread to feed their children as well.
The reality is that it’s a very complex issue and while Texas has the right to secure it’s borders a humans right to live is a little more important me thinks.
At the size of a state government deaths are statistics. And funny you should mention stealing. In another thread I was arguing that stealing is immoral and should face punishment, even food. Just like going hungry has programs to help, so does immigration have processes to go through to do it legally.
Don’t steal and don’t cross sovereign borders without permission. There are consequences to actions. Don’t start crying because someone suffered the consequences.
Ah yes, why don’t they just use those vague programs you alluded to?
I’m sure you can tell all of us what those programs are and how easy they are to be eligible/apply through. Right? I mean certainly you know what these programs are and wouldn’t just be assuming they’re in place and functional. After all, a blatant assumption like that would make you an utter jackass if it turned out those programs weren’t actually available for everyone or were needlessly restrictive/difficult.
SNAP, WIC, unemployment, food banks, meals on wheels, shelters, churches, etc. There’s a plethora of resources for the poor to get food.
Most of the things on your list you can’t get if you’re undocumented.
Suffered the consequences of what, exactly? The consequences of being born into a world that doesn’t provide for them? The consequences of unequal access to opportunity?
Guess then we should get to shoving some consequences your way for being a dick. Your speech is harmful, and you don’t deserve clean food or water or a warm place to sleep.
Get our of here with your garbage. Your life is not more valuable than ANYONE elses.
That’s a pretty sweet straw man you just built there.
Academic language does not shelter you from the consequences of your speech.
Imagine swimming in a river in your own country and then you get caught up in a net and die while still in your country due to Texas illegally setting up their own border wall that isn’t even in Texas anymore. Texas should should hire this guy to go to the river and whenever kids drown trying to just enjoy themselves he is there but always wait 5 minutes to make sure the Mexicans drowned since he obviously hates them and then unties them, bring them up to shore, and then yell this in their face. I think he would gladly take the job all the while moving back and fourth illegally from the Mexico and Texas border just to yell at dead Mexicans
I can’t imagine what situation you grew up in to have so much hate in your heart. What you and a shit to of racists don’t understand is that if we had all the immigrants in America disappear, the labor force, and crops for example would shit the bed so fast. The immigrants all do the jobs you fuckers won’t do and you don’t actually care enough to learn on how much of the country they hold on their back. It’s always simple though, instead of actual being about “America” and filling the gaps you would just complain someone else needs to do these high labor intensive jobs
Go ahead and tell me how many were just swimming in the Rio Grande when they just so happened to get caught in the border defense when they weren’t actually trying to cross the border. I can guarantee it’s zero.
First off you’re so dumb dude. How about instead of intentionally killing others in an absolutely beautiful river we just enjoy it? Ever thought that idk, maybe, some of them genuinely just wanted a swim?
The more important part is that since you are so ‘MERICA🦅⛪🙏’ then why are you okay with these deaths while they are completely illegal and dong follow the constitution? Referenced From this comment
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a43a23ea-5314-4b82-9493-d02761e77e99.jpeg
I mean i figure since youre okay with that ill just go ahead and completely ignore laws to do whatever the hell i want to do. When did the constitution just become another ‘woke’ book to you that should be ignored?
When did I say anyone was intentionally killed. If anything it could be viewed as suicide. They’re bright fucking orange aren’t they?
You keep ignoring over half of my comments. Do you really think Texas of all places would put a buoy with a net but not create the net in such a way that it would tangle someone up? Are there any warnings about there being nets? How would you feel if Mexico set something that long up in the river but 80% of it was across the border?
thus spake the voice of privilege.
Well how else are Americans supposed to leave their shit hole country for Mexico?
Ah, the old Lemmy switcheroo!
Wishing death on people is horrendous.
I agree that they’re criminals, shouldn’t be encouraged, and need to be deported, but death is a little much.
Honestly it came out a bit harsh but the point was that they’re doing very risky things knowing there are risks to their lives but they do it anyway. If a guy is dancing on a cliff and falls off you don’t blame the cliff.
Does the Texas government go around installing cliffs in places where they know people go dancing?
I’m sorry that you were unable to comprehend an analogy.
Not an analogy, T-Boner, that was a false equivalence. Sorry you are unable to comprehend basic English.
You make poor analogies
And so will you, one day, I’m sure
Yes? Hell, border towns put up barriers without state or federal permission.
Thats not the problem.
LOL CBS! There is no such thing as “technically” in Mexico. The barrier is in Mexico and Mexican authorities should just cut it up and remove it.
And make America pay for it! That’d make me laugh every time I think about it for now and forever after Donald Trump tried to get Mexico to pay for his dumb fucking wall.
Small correction: he told people Mexico would pay for it. Because how could he possibly make another country pay for anything? Lol. Only thing stupider was that people believed that shit.
He did try. He begged the Mexican president to pay for it. “You gotta help me out.” The Mexican president did not help him out.
You gotta source for that? All I heard was that the Mexican president addressed it publicly after Trump said this bs on the campaign trail.
They leaked the phone call. https://m.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/the-transcript-of-trumps-leaked-phone-call-with-mexicos-president-is-absolutely-/10155665433246800/?wtsid=rdr_0nUJb1eV7oYvkORK6
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uyfxghJU2SI&feature=share9
For some reason my search results refuse to turn up the actual transcript, just other people reading exerpts.
Haha I think I missed that! Thanks for this. You’re right that he did beg the Mexican president, but it sounds like he didn’t care at all if he actually did it. He just wanted him to say he would pay for it lol
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They should sell it back to Texas at a huge markup. Then when it floats back over to their waters, sell it back again, and again, and again. Endless money stream.
This game has so many infinite money glitches.
Can we just wall off Texas at this point? Let them have their own shitty country
Let’s give it back to Mexico, the Republicans were screaming that we should let Russia have Ukraine because it used to be part of Russia, and as it turns out Texas used to be part of Mexico. Problem solved.
Throw in Florida as a tip.
Damn, you really hate Mexicans don’t you?
Yikes, unfounded
Calm down, Satan!
Hey, some of us don’t have a choice but to be here.
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I had to move to low-income housing because no job I’m able to get pays enough for a ‘real’ apartment. I can move to my hometown, but It’s the same thing there. I barely make enough to get by. Were it not for my wife also working, we’d both be homeless.
Trust me. I’d love to move somewhere else, where a post-high school education wouldn’t make me more broke than I am, where good jobs grow on trees, and where housing is reasonably priced. But I can’t. So I Vite blue and get shit on for it here. But I do it anyway, because the asshole fascists that run this state sure as hell haven’t made my life any easier.
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I’m in Idaho, so fair enough
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I thought that the treaty from the Spanish-American War made the Rio Grande neutral territory. Any land that appears in the middle of the river doesn’t belong to either country.
Unless there have been other treaties that I didn’t learn about in my history classes, the buoys technically are infringement on neutral territory.
How does that figure when the river changes course? Does texas/mexico suddenly have more/less land and everyone’s chill?
Totally nothing to do with the Rio Grande-case, but I find it interesting seeing how borders are drawn when time goes on. Look at the original 13 states in the US. Lines are squiggly, and made with care after the terrain. Then, some time has passed, and the US started to grow eastwards. Then the borders were made quickly with rulers.
You see the same in Australia. NSW and Victoria is a bit squiggly for a while, but then the colonisers said “hand me the fucking ruler, cunt!”
Pretty much, yeah. A lot of property boundaries are defined in refererence to adjacent bodies of water. It makes sense too, otherwise you’ll get weird edge cases where 3m^2 of land on the mexican side belongs to USA because the river drifted since 1850. What are you gonna do with that little plot? Swim over there and put a fence around it?
Yeah, pretty much.
One time there was also an island that appeared in the Rio Grande that some people claimed as another country with a flag and everything. The US military kicked them off of it.
America following a treaty that doesn’t benefit itself…
US: “Everything on this side of the line is ours, those are the rules.”
Mexico: “But you can’t keep moving the line into my side, that’s not fair!”
US “Yeah huh, mom said that’s how it works.”
Mexico: “No she didn’t! You’re lying!”
México would actually end with : chinga tu madre!
Heyyyyy… TU MADRE!!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nearly 80% of the controversial floating barrier Texas state officials assembled in the middle of the Rio Grande to deter migrant crossings is technically on the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a federal government survey released on Tuesday.
The river barrier, assembled near the Texas border town of Eagle Pass, has come under national and international scrutiny, including from the Mexican government, which has strongly voiced its objections to the buoys.
But Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said preliminary information indicated that the first person found dead had “drowned upstream from the marine barrier and floated into the buoys.”
Abbott and other Texas officials have insisted the buoys are necessary to stop migrants from entering the U.S. illegally, and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico.
The survey could add a new legal dimension to the Biden administration lawsuit, which argues that Texas violated a longstanding law governing navigable U.S. waterways when it set up the buoys without federal permission.
Unlawful crossings along the southern border fell to the lowest level in two years in June, a drop the Biden administration attributed to a set of asylum restrictions and programs that allow migrants to enter the U.S. legally.
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From the article:
Nearly 80% of the controversial floating barrier Texas state officials assembled in the middle of the Rio Grande to deter migrant crossings is technically on the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a federal government survey released on Tuesday.
The revelation was made public in a federal court filing by the Biden administration in its lawsuit against the barrier, which Texas set up in July as part of an initiative directed by Gov. Greg Abbott to repel migrants and repudiate President Biden’s border policies.
The river barrier, assembled near the Texas border town of Eagle Pass, has come under national and international scrutiny, including from the Mexican government, which has strongly voiced its objections to the buoys. Advocates, Democratic lawmakers and a Texas state medic have also expressed concerns about the structures diverting migrants to deeper parts of the river where they are more likely to drown.
Earlier this month Mexican officials recovered two bodies from the Rio Grande, including one that was found floating along the barrier, but the circumstances of the deaths are still under investigation. Mexican officials condemned the barrier in announcing the discovery of the bodies. But Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said preliminary information indicated that the first person found dead had “drowned upstream from the marine barrier and floated into the buoys.”
Abbott and other Texas officials have insisted the buoys are necessary to stop migrants from entering the U.S. illegally, and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico. (Article continues)
and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico. (Article continues)
That’s the clincher. States are 100% not allowed to treat internationally or make policies regarding other countries.
Building a fence has nothing to do with that. If Texas had setup a federal border crossing, that would be illegal. If Texas had that fence constructed in such a way that a federal border crossing were blocked off, that would be illegal. A natural land border augmented with a fence isn’t an international incident and you don’t need permission from the federal government to do that.
You sure as hell do when you put 80% of it outside your borders, outside US borders no less
This kind of thing could spark a war in different circumstances - imagine the Mexican army goes to dismantle the buoys in their borders, and one of several possible groups from Texas confronts them and it leads to a skirmish
Mexico would be entirely within their rights - it’s on their property and it’s suspected to be leading to deaths
Sounds like if the Sovereign Nation of Mexico is as upset about them as you are, they should go remove them.
But
A natural land border augmented with a fence isn’t an international incident
The subject of this post is that “nearly 80%” of the border fence is in Mexico’s Sovereign border, so I don’t see the issue with them removing the trespassing part of the fence.
That would literally be an international incident, no?
They are, they’re just doing it through the courts
I don’t really care that much about this specific thing, or any one specific thing, what I care about is we have government officials straight up breaking the hard, explicitly defined limits put on their powers, and people are acting like that’s not a big deal
50% of the river even that photo shows it’s nonsense
Guys no one tell the democrats that increased border security dispraportionately benefits mexico over the U.S.
How so? Is this because it prevent workers from leaving/brain drain?
Preventing migrant workers has a maybe effect on the jobs that use them, namely farming construction and landscaping. Iirc it was Alabama who banned migrant workers and then had to bus in migrants because they couldn’t keep white folks on the job.
I was pro border wall until this
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If the barrier is still floating, there aren’t any gang members or ne’er-do-wells even attempting to cross it. If there were, the silly thing would be on the bottom of the river with bullet holes in it.
So Mexico built the wall and Texas taxpayers paid for it. Brilliant!
