I’m interested in why it takes any at all in Scandinavia, since the bottom 10% in Scandinavian countries have the same education and equal opportunity as the top 10%, and social welfare is enough to live on, so kids aren’t forced to work part-time either. School materials and university is free too, so it is not like the bottom 10% cannot afford or don’t have time for education.
My parents went to museums with us. We went to summer camps that provided educational activities (fun physics experiments and the like). We got home schooling for learning instruments and our parents were able to help with homework and satisfy our scientific curiosity. And of course we learned the soft skills of how to move in the upper middle class environments, how to approach job interviews and so on.
These aspects help tremendously in striving for a higher education and well paying job. It is also quite interesting to see in my families history, where my parents were the first to get an academic degree, but the grandparents of my parents were already skilled craftsmen, one with 4 master titles in different metal working crafts.
There is only so much the government can do and i’d say that two to three generations are probably the bottom line for how fast it can go on a societal level. In the other countries like Germany there is systemic class discrimination to keep the lower classes low.
Coming from a poor background shouldn’t hinder you from reaching mean any more than anyone else though. Does it have to do with then being less inclined to ask for a raise then? Or is it perhaps an issue with poor parenting, causing less willingness to work hard in school?
If you worked in any larger company as well as looked at some of the people you studied with that somehow made the degree, and somehow got a well paying job even though they are idiots in that field, you should find plenty examples where it is not about trying or merit, but connections and favourable circumstance.
Daddy is in middle management? Well he’ll get his idiot son in a nice paying position. Danny really did not understand what his uni class was about, but he could just learn everything by repetition, while Michael was working night jobs to afford food and could not take all the exams that semester. Maria is really smart and aced in school, but instead of going to Uni in a different city she took a local job because her parents cant take care of themselves anymore and their retirement money barely covers the rent and utilities…
I found it very eye opening when talking with two people from Uni once. The one was talking about his side job. The other one was getting everything payed by her parents, went to travel to very nice places and always prepared well for exams. She then said she also thought about getting a student job so she gets some relevant experience and a foot in the door. We had to explain to her that we dont work for that,but because we have to pay our bills and that it is taking quite a toll on finishing the studies in time.
It is Scandinavia. I’ve never heard of anyone working working night jobs to make ends meet or support their parents, because social welfare is excellent. I had a few classmates in Uni whoms parents paid for everything, but one dropped out because they weren’t motivated enough.
Most took a student loan so the government paid for half of the expenses through the grant that comes with the student loan, and because the rates of the loan is less than a percent, and the only thing you needed it for was for rent and food, I don’t feel like it was a big obstacle.
Though I left Scandinavia and moved to Japan before ever getting to work for a large company there so I can’t say who get the higher positions. I doubt it takes multiple generations though.
Or could it be people already at the mean income look down on the poor and tend to choose someone from the mean income and above over someone below when the two people are otherwise equal?
even though opportunities might be equal, family culture has a large role in what happens in practice, for example if your parents have gone to university, you are far more likely to do so also.
It is sad that it takes so many generations.
I’m interested in why it takes any at all in Scandinavia, since the bottom 10% in Scandinavian countries have the same education and equal opportunity as the top 10%, and social welfare is enough to live on, so kids aren’t forced to work part-time either. School materials and university is free too, so it is not like the bottom 10% cannot afford or don’t have time for education.
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Yeah, that makes more sense.
My parents went to museums with us. We went to summer camps that provided educational activities (fun physics experiments and the like). We got home schooling for learning instruments and our parents were able to help with homework and satisfy our scientific curiosity. And of course we learned the soft skills of how to move in the upper middle class environments, how to approach job interviews and so on.
These aspects help tremendously in striving for a higher education and well paying job. It is also quite interesting to see in my families history, where my parents were the first to get an academic degree, but the grandparents of my parents were already skilled craftsmen, one with 4 master titles in different metal working crafts.
There is only so much the government can do and i’d say that two to three generations are probably the bottom line for how fast it can go on a societal level. In the other countries like Germany there is systemic class discrimination to keep the lower classes low.
It’s time to mean income, not stable living wage.
Coming from a poor background shouldn’t hinder you from reaching mean any more than anyone else though. Does it have to do with then being less inclined to ask for a raise then? Or is it perhaps an issue with poor parenting, causing less willingness to work hard in school?
If you worked in any larger company as well as looked at some of the people you studied with that somehow made the degree, and somehow got a well paying job even though they are idiots in that field, you should find plenty examples where it is not about trying or merit, but connections and favourable circumstance.
Daddy is in middle management? Well he’ll get his idiot son in a nice paying position. Danny really did not understand what his uni class was about, but he could just learn everything by repetition, while Michael was working night jobs to afford food and could not take all the exams that semester. Maria is really smart and aced in school, but instead of going to Uni in a different city she took a local job because her parents cant take care of themselves anymore and their retirement money barely covers the rent and utilities…
I found it very eye opening when talking with two people from Uni once. The one was talking about his side job. The other one was getting everything payed by her parents, went to travel to very nice places and always prepared well for exams. She then said she also thought about getting a student job so she gets some relevant experience and a foot in the door. We had to explain to her that we dont work for that,but because we have to pay our bills and that it is taking quite a toll on finishing the studies in time.
It is Scandinavia. I’ve never heard of anyone working working night jobs to make ends meet or support their parents, because social welfare is excellent. I had a few classmates in Uni whoms parents paid for everything, but one dropped out because they weren’t motivated enough.
Most took a student loan so the government paid for half of the expenses through the grant that comes with the student loan, and because the rates of the loan is less than a percent, and the only thing you needed it for was for rent and food, I don’t feel like it was a big obstacle.
Though I left Scandinavia and moved to Japan before ever getting to work for a large company there so I can’t say who get the higher positions. I doubt it takes multiple generations though.
Or could it be people already at the mean income look down on the poor and tend to choose someone from the mean income and above over someone below when the two people are otherwise equal?
even though opportunities might be equal, family culture has a large role in what happens in practice, for example if your parents have gone to university, you are far more likely to do so also.
It doesn’t even make sense.