ANKARA, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Friday called on Israel to stop its attacks on Gaza, which he said amounted to genocide, and urged the international community to work for a humanitarian ceasefire in the region.
In a post on social messaging platform X, Erdogan also said Israel was provoking non-regional actors instead of turning back from its mistakes in Gaza, adding that the region needed saving from the “frenzy of madness” supported by Western powers and media.
The irony…
I’ll never understand why they insist on conflating the Ottoman Empire with Turkey.
Well, I understand, Erdogan would love to be the Caliph, but it’s still ridiculous to feel like you have to defend the actions of an imperial state that was dissolved.
I think people are noting the similarities to the Armenian Genocide with the situation in Gaza. Namely, the forced displacement of millions of people for religious differences, which Turkey denies as a genocide because the Ottomans didn’t set up death camps.
Turkey is okay with Hamas firing rockets at Israel though.
Hamas is using Turkish drones
https://www.yenisafak.com/teknoloji/turk-sirketi-gelistirdi-dunyada-lidar-teknolojisini-kullanan-ilk-drone-3524472Of course. His radicalised base is generally pretty antisemitic.
Meanwhile he continues airstrikes against the Kurds in Northern Syria/Rojava, using the Gaza crisis as a distraction.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Yeah… as much as I hate his guts, on this one he’s at least right. Now let’s hope he stops bombing kurds.
He was also heard mumbling, Turks know it when they see it
Why would Israel stop while there are still hostages?
Maybe, just maybe, because literally thousands of innocent human beings are dying? I sometimes feel like I live in a different reality that this needs to be said.
I understand that, but how are Israel supposed to get their hostages back?
I honestly don’t know, but just simply flattening all of Gaza can’t be the way. Both from a humanitarian perspective (it can not be okay to murder thousands if not tens of thousand by the end of this to save a few), but also in practical sense. I’d even argue the chances of killing the hostages are huge like this, as long as they don’t know where they are.
Imagine if these hostages were held on Israeli territory, they wouldn’t just bomb the shit out of that, that would be considered absurd.
If blood libel was true, would it have justified the Holocaust?
Sooo… are there still rockets being fired from Terrorists? Are the hostages still being kept by the terrorists?
Why should Israel stop attacking the terrorists?
Because thousands of innocent civilians are being killed too?
Copied from a different comment: Prove (!) that the casualties in Palestine aren’t primarily Hamas Terrorists. The claim by their „Health Authority“ means nothing - because that is Hamas.
Well this is just a bad take.
I don’t like Hammas, specially because they were funded by Israel to attack Fattah and other members of the PLO in the 80’ and spread terror until today.
But right now Hammas is trying to negotiate to release their hostages, but for Israel is more important to bomb Gaza (supposedly Hammas, cause of course there is no secular civilians in Gaza) than the safety of their own citizens.
Its not like Israel could still attack Hammas after the deal, you know?
Hammas is trying to negotiate to release their hostages
Hamas can release the hostages at any second. There are no negotiations required for Hamas to cease their active imprisonment of kidnapped people.
But the hostages are likely the only thing standing in the way of a full blown ethnic cleaning.
However, don’t confuse this with me defending Hamas in any way.
But the hostages are likely the only thing standing in the way of a full blown ethnic cleaning.
Wow - just wow.
So to put this into perspective: You are saying that Hamas PREEMPTIVELY took civilian hostages, while massacring more than a thousand other civilians, to PREVENT a „full blown ethnic cleaning“ in Gaza? An alleged ethnic cleaning that now is supposed to take place AFTER Hamas and the Islamic Jihad Terrorists murdered all those civilians?
However, don’t confuse this with me defending Hamas in any way.
Noooo… this is not defending Hamas and Islamic Jihad at all. But I do question your ability for reasoning.
Not at all.
Them taking the hostages was horrible in the first place and likely no real forethought was had for that plan.
But, after Israel’s war crimes and them showing no sign of slowing down, it is likely the hostages have been one of the only reasons the careless bombings and killings of thousands of civilians (half of which are children) haven’t been even worse (as unfathomable as it may seem)
Yeah, it sounds in your posts like Hamas are the good guys, care about the hostages, trying to release them against Israel will. Of course this is after Hamas without provocation brutally killed 1500 civilians, and captured those hostages. But of course, it is Israeli fault.
I don’t get what part of
I don’t like Hammas
spread terror until today
You read as
Hamas are the good guys
You are fighting a strawman my friend.
I was just responding the point that still exists hostages in Gaza, I don’t expect that Hammas cares about hostages but I expect that Israel care about their citizens, because the first is a militia, and other is a state with one of the best army in the world.
Independently of what I believe or not, when Israel says “we don’t negotiate with terrorists”, it is just a political decision, maybe even this negotiation would not work, but is not something that Israel strategists are venting.Ok, fair enough. You should also notice them that Israel still did not start the ground offensive.
without provocation
Sure only if you ignore the past 80 years of brutal oppression and colonisation.
You should look for the meaning of “provocation “ when we talk about brutality killing 1500+ civilians. If you point to history as provocations, then Jews can give you a looooooong list of 3000+ years “provocations “ and where would it lead us?
I guess it makes sense to not claim things like “without provocation” in this context. Especially when you’re aware the other side disagrees.
It is especially important to point to this and discuss this with the other side, otherwise what we achieve if we avoid topics on our disagreement? As for provocation, the attack was prepared for multiple months, and likely years. If anything provoked this attack at this particular time, it is the prospects of normalization with other Arab states such as Saudi Arabia. Hamas wants to destroy Israel, it does not need normalization.
You are being sarcastic here… right ?
Because their aim is shit. If my aim was as bad as theirs, I wouldn’t have kids.
Their aim is shit? Prove (!) that the casualties in Palestine aren’t primarily Hamas Terrorists. The claim by their „Health Authority“ means nothing - because that is Hamas.
“In their stated intent to use all means to destroy Hamas, Israeli forces have shown a shocking disregard for civilian lives. They have pulverized street after street of residential buildings killing civilians on a mass scale and destroying essential infrastructure, while new restrictions mean Gaza is fast running out of water, medicine, fuel and electricity. Testimonies from eyewitness and survivors highlighted, again and again, how Israeli attacks decimated Palestinian families, causing such destruction that surviving relatives have little but rubble to remember their loved ones by,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.”
Alternately:
Ordering the evacuation of a million people, causing a humanitarian crisis:
Then launching an air strike on the same people attempting to evacuate?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian-evacuation-orders-invs/index.html
It’s called diplomacy, start practicing now because there won’t be any more opportunities when the whole middle east have each other under siege like Israel is doing to Palestineans now.
Interesting take
So the murdering of those civilians on October 7 was a call for negotiations by Hamas?
No, dummy. The taking of hostages was though.
