Voyager S5 E26 Equinox

  • sundrei@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    36·
    7 months ago

    “Replicator, give me a slice of mushroom pizza.”

    “Hot or cold.”

    “Hot.”

    “Space-warping travel mushrooms or the ones that grow on old logs.”

    “Uh, the log ones I guess.”

    “Coward.”

  • Norgur@kbin.social
    84·
    7 months ago

    Starship running on mushrooms? Yeah, why not
    The mushrooms are some omnipresent thing connecting all space and time together and giving some special super powers somehow? The force stolen you have. Integration of science fantasy into science fiction unasked for was.

      • Bonehead@kbin.social
        7·
        7 months ago

        Countercounterpoint:

        The Q know about the mycelial network, likely because they created it for their own purposes. That’s how they can seem to transport anywhere in the universe. Quinn essentially admitted as much when he said that their “magic” is simply very advanced technology. A mycelial network permeating subspace would be right up their alley.

      • smoothbrain coldtakes@lemmy.caEnglish
        61·
        7 months ago

        I’m sorry my guy but Stamets literally has a throwaway line in S1 saying that if the mycelial network is destroyed it will “kill all life in the multiverse”

        It doesn’t just connect space and time it connects different universes. Why do you think Lorca was so interested in Discovery, it was the tech that was able to get him back to his original universe.

      • Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        21·
        7 months ago

        I’m confused how something could connect all of time and space together without being omnipresent. It seems to me that the network is omnipresent by definition, because it exists everywhere.

          • Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            That’s true, it spans the entire multiverse but only within one galaxy. It’s odd, but it’s cool that the network is so deeply tied to the Milky Way, just in every reality.

            It makes me wonder what the network is actually feeding off of. Life? Some sort of nebulous “energy”?

            Not something that they need to (or should) answer, but it’s just so cool to think about the mystery of it. I love fungi, and I love the mycelial network as this truly cosmic-scale organism living in subspace, holding the multiverse together. It’s beautiful.

              • Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                4·
                7 months ago

                Well, the question still remains of “symbiotizing what”? Fungi on earth range from saprophages, which decompose dead matter into nutrients, to mycorrhizae, which form symbiotic relationships with plants which produce nutrients. In either case, they’re feeding off of things, it’s just the source that varies. All living things need to gain energy somehow.

                The mycelial network is spooky and probably feeds off something more abstract, since sci-fi and all that. That said, maybe it’s in some sort of symbiotic relationship with the multiverse itself? There’s so much energy in a galaxy, let alone a multiverse worth of galaxies, that it’s not hard to imagine a fungal network feeding off just a tiny fraction of that energy. And interstellar space has relatively low energy, so it makes sense the network wouldn’t build hyphae there.

                You’re right that they never said it only works in the Milky Way, I had just assumed that since it peters out at the border of the galaxy that it ends there. And if it resumes in another galaxy, it seems like it would be discontinuous and thus a separate organism. But I suppose if you imagine it as a wholly separate subspace realm, with hyphae that connect out wherever there is sufficient “energy” of whatever sort it feeds off of, it makes sense. And jumping to another galaxy could be a cool twist indeed!

                I would give anything to be an astromycologist

        • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          7 months ago

          Like I tell my kid who is constantly asking “how” whenever we watch Star Trek^1, it’s best not to think too hard about all that lol. I mean, I don’t love the Tuvix episode for the science…

          1 Somehow this never happens when watching anime 🤔

      • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        7 months ago

        Now he has the ability to see time a little differently due to that DNA

        Which is kind of weird given that DNA is carbon, hydrogen, etc, moving and forming bonds based on physics. It’s why folding at home can simulate proteins.

        So anything DNA does can be simulated on a computer.

          • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            7 months ago

            “Living” is a chemical process. Since Stamets was able to transfer the DNA into himself, he had identified the segments that coded the particular proteins.

              • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12·
                7 months ago

                Proteins that could not be adequately replicated by a computer

                Yeah, but that requires a strange alternate future where computers are simultaneously both faster than today’s computers and also not any faster.

                And yes the simulation needs a compatible physical interface.

  • lorty@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    7 months ago

    I watched this one when I was a kid and it fucked me up. I couldn’t believe starfleet officers could do that.

    The equinos looked cool though

  • RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social
    1411·
    7 months ago

    I feel like this place has gotten super mean-spirited lately. Maybe I’m just dropping in at the wrong times but I feel like 80% of the posts and comments I see are backhanded references or jabs at some part of the community and most of the rest is TOS stuff I don’t understand that for all I know is also being nasty to somebody.

    Does it really have to be like this? I’ll leave that to you lot to figure out. Maybe a split is in order, or part of the commagazine will just vanish and never make another Trek joke again.

    Also somecritter lemme know if the Disco-Risa/NonDisco-Risa split happens 'cause I kinda still wanna be in one of them. Or maybe both, as long as the fighting quits.

    • MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      321·
      7 months ago

      I think you’re taking this a bit too seriously. Risa is a community for shit posting and jokes. We are allowed to make fun of ourselves here.

      • teft@startrek.websiteEnglish
        162·
        7 months ago

        I agree with MrPoopyButthole. We’re unserious here but we tend to not put up with actual maliciousness.

    • Seven@startrek.websiteEnglish
      5·
      7 months ago

      I have often found humans require the ability “make fun of themselves” in order to derive pleasure. For their species this is normal and you should not find it disconcerting.

    • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      7 months ago

      You need to broaden your perspective like when Riker commanded a Klingon ship.

      Fighting is fun. Embrace your inner Klingon and tell those Disco lover/haters how horribly wrong they are!

  • BaroqueInMind@kbin.social
    1311·
    7 months ago

    I haven’t watched Star Trek since DS9 and refuse to watch anything made after Enterprise. Can someone please elaborate what in heavens name is going on this meme is talking about?

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        21·
        7 months ago

        They were capturing extra-dimensional beings and using their corpses to power their starship so they could get home faster.

        Just say “Body Thetans,” it’s okay to admit that some Starfleeters are secretly Scientologists.

      • BaroqueInMind@kbin.social
        73·
        7 months ago

        So it sounds like Voyager is set in the Warhammer 40k universe then, since the Warp in that lore is a roiling storm of madness and joy of all the thrashing souls of everything sentient that ever lived (and sometimes not sentient, such as literal concepts of thought like hatred, and even forgotten gods of long dead ancient religions) since the beginning of time.

      • directive0@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        7 months ago

        Got a question for ye. What weighs more: an isogram of dilithium, or an isogram of mycelium? Take your time.

    • ranoss@lemmy.worldEnglish
      172·
      7 months ago

      I can say that voyager was a lot of fun but I had a hard time with thing after that until lower decks. I tried enterprise, Picard and disco but I didn’t like either. I haven’t tried brave new worlds so I can’t say anything about that one.

      I think it’s worth trying the new shows and seeing if any of them appeal to you. Lower decks is definitely a goofy cartoon but it has a ton of heart and feels like enterprise in a way most other shows don’t. Plus it does fan service well in a fun way.

      • shutz@lemmy.caEnglish
        9·
        7 months ago

        You owe it to yourself to try Strange New Worlds. It’s just really good. It avoids most of the problems that Disco had (though it got better after season 1) and goes back to the episodic feel of past series, but without the ridiculous reset button that some series suffered from.

        Familiarity with TOS will provide you with extra enjoyment, but it’s not a requirement, in my opinion.

      • EmergMemeHologram@startrek.websiteEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        I’m trying Enterprise but I’m not loving it. I don’t really connect with the characters except Porthos.

        But DS9 took a while to get into, so maybe it gets better.

    • MudMan@kbin.social
      51·
      7 months ago

      You should get back into it, though. It’s all pretty solid, except maybe some of Picard.

      I did bounce off on DS9, too. That was a rough time for the franchise. Glad people enjoy it retroactively, though.

    • MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      41·
      7 months ago

      This is a double episode from Voyager where they come across another federation starship, the Equinox.

      • MudMan@kbin.social
        71·
        7 months ago

        Wait, no they both do. Normal warp does. FTL as a concept does.

        Hey, props to them for embracing it immediately and doing time travel nonsense right away.

          • MudMan@kbin.social
            7·
            7 months ago

            Don’t make me break out the spacetime diagram, young man. Because I WILL break out the spacetime diagram.

            Anyway, doesn’t matter. Star Trek has messed with time travel since TOS season 1. And that was after they started introducing magic men with god powers, which they did in episode 3. It makes zero sense to get nerdy about it. That’s my point here.

              • dejected_warp_core@startrek.websiteEnglish
                8·
                7 months ago

                I’ll help out. Here you go: https://www.askamathematician.com/2012/07/q-how-does-instantaneous-communication-violate-causality/

                I love it when sci-fi teaches us about real stuff. The problem is that when you mix instant and classical (non-instant) communication channels, you get situations where information time-travels, and the receiver gets information from the future. This breaks causality (present based on future events), and so nature rightfully abhors it.

                The closest we’ve come to instant communication is the use of entangled particles, but we can’t make practical use of the phenomenon. Touch one such particle, and it’s pair instantly changes to the opposite state. The catch is that you can’t know when to observe the particle, nor can you know what the original state was, via the same mechanism. So you still need to use normal photons moving at slow-ass light-speed to communicate that meta-information, thereby undoing any attempt to exploit it.

              • MudMan@kbin.social
                5·
                7 months ago

                Ah… ok, wow, that’s a lot of relativity to explain from scratch for a non-physicist. There must be someone else…

                Here, this one is a bit dense but it addresses Star Trek by name, so:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTf4eqdQXpA

                Bonus points for starting with the point that forget warp, subspace communication breaks causality already, so you don’t even need to boldly go anywhere for any of it to be kinda busted.

                If that’s a bit too dry you can search for a similar subject line, there are TONS of explanations like this one out there.

                Anyway, none of it makes sense, it’s all for funsies anyway. Suspend disbelief, ye nerds, and enjoy your sci-fi.

          • MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            I think MudMan is correctly pointing out that to travel any slower than light speed through space causes time dilation since space is actually space-time.

            There is a trade-off between how fast you travel proportional to the speed of light and how much time a stationary observer percieves to have passed compared to you who is travelling.

            When you travel faster than the speed of light, all time and causality breaks down. This is not the case with how the writers of Star Trek wrote warp drive mechanics, this is our best understanding of the actual universe. Einsteins theory of relativity.

            Fun fact: Light itself (or its quantized unit: the photon) travels at the speed of light and therefore experiences no time. If a photon is emitted from a star across the universe and travels millions of light years before eventually being absorbed by your eye, from our stationary reference point, the light has been travelling for millions of years, but for the photon it was instantaneous. Zero time passed for the photon. This is the idea of time dilation.

      • orthen@feddit.deEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        Yes, that’s what I’m referring to. And a least as far as I remember, it does. It’s not obvious and not addressed at all, but instantaneous travel between two points in space (if you don’t take a shorcut through an addtional dimension, e.g. something we could call w if the three space dimension we’re familiar with are x,y,z) is equivalent to time travel. The same is true for FTL travel, which Star Trek solves by warping space time, which also works.

        Perhaps the mycelial network is basically an extra space-time dimension, but at least the way I remember it being explained that wasn’t really the case.

        But that’s anyway a relatively technical points and Star Trek, as much as I love it, was never really about the technical things.