If so, do you consistently report it and get the feeling that it gets dealt with? Of course there are instances dedicated solely to being human trash
Personally I think kbin and @ernest should take a more backseat approach to this stuff, apart from very radical exceptions. If you don’t like content/people/magazines that you see, simply block it. If you want to join a community that will outright ban people who disagree with you, check out Tildes (left) or SaidIt (right) which are more 1:1 Reddit replacements (not in the fediverse though)
Time will tell what the overall approach for this is on kbin, but the great thing about the fediverse is if things get out of hand or take a turn here you don’t like, you can simply find another instance or a different fediverse site altogether and still interact with mostly the same people/content. But I personally very much like the relaxed and not-very-political space kbin has been so far
I strongly disagree. If there are a bunch of magazines here with racist / anti-LGBTQ+ / etc content, the site as a whole will get a reputation for it, other instances will block it, and people who don’t want to deal with that stuff will go elsewhere
While I tend to agree with your opinion, that people should be allowed to express their political view of the world, I also think that intolerance is not a political view. It’s just the heritage of a mob mentality that’s more suitable for the dark ages, rather than the globalized world we live into.
So if you want to spout about dumb non-facts like “ethnic replacement” and such, you can take a walk and come back when you’ll have a mindset more appropriate for this century.I agree with your first sentence and that’s what I meant when I said “radical exceptions”. I think the issue is many people coming from Reddit will equate anything that is right-leaning as racism or hate speech. Like I don’t want ernest to be in here during the US elections banning magazines supporting the Republican candidate
Sure, get rid of the users talking about how the Jews control the world or are going on frequent racist tangents. But I think there’s a lot more to gain about getting perspective from a place I might not necessarily agree with than just getting rid of it altogether. I hope people can be mature enough here to feel the same
Like I don’t want ernest to be in here during the US elections banning magazines supporting the Republican candidate
Just to be clear the last time this happened anywhere online was r/The_Donald, which was objectively a radical exception promoting racism and hate speech while also being a sub “supporting the Republican candidate”. You are being misleading.
I will report it if I see it (hate speech, I don’t care about being edgy as long as it’s not hurting someone).
So block my account ahead of time if you can’t be decent. A block it not an insult, and it is way less effort all around if you block me ahead of time so I never see it in the first place.
I’ve blocked a handful of people for spouting far right rhetoric and trans/homophobia so far, as well as three or so xtian instances (am I using ‘instances’ right?) that have shown up in the ‘new’ feed.
I like being able to block bigots and hateful subs, it’s really weird to me that ither sites (squabbles) don’t have this feature.
‘instances’ are websites. you might be thinking of “magazines” (subreddits).
‘Magazines’, that’s the one. Thank you!
I have not seen it yet, though I have no doubt that it exists.
I believe that in real life as in the fediverse, hate speech and bigotry of all kinds needs to be very firmly shot down. Immediately downvote and block that shit. It has no place here, or anywhere.
That being said, debating or even engaging with these pricks is worse than pointless because you’ll never change their minds and will only give them a platform.
Almost certainly, as you say, only way to control it is report it wherever you see it. Don’t let it spread.
I try to wake up each day and not be offended by everything. This way I don’t see a racist/bigot behind every tree.
this honestly. There’s a huge difference between “waaah this person disagreed with me!!” and someone actually being fucking rude and hateful. People who are progressive in their politics tend to conflate them for whatever reason.
Like, yeah, no one likes when someone is going around shouting slurs at people and generally just saying blatantly hateful shit (death threats, slurs, etc style content). But so many people end up crying that “oh you’re pro-life therefore you’re a sexist and misogynist and pushing hate speech you bigot!” like wtf?
I get this a lot as someone who is transsexual. I’ll merely talk about my transsexualism, explain the science and biology behind my condition, and then suddenly I’m a “hateful transphobic bigot” because I had the audacity to agree with the scientific literature rather than some random person’s political beliefs. Like no, I’m not being hateful towards you simply by talking about my medical condition and the science around that. What’s happening is that you’re disagreeing with me.
Whenever people place huge emphasis on “combatting hate speech” unfortunately it’s always this “disagreeing with me is hate speech” shit, and not actually dealing with hateful content.
Saying shit like “if you’re a gay man who doesn’t want to fuck someone with a vagina, you’re a bigot and you’re choosing to be like that” is blatantly homophobic and hateful (my phrasing here is nicer than some I’ve seen), yet it gets praised and rewarded and declared “not hate speech” because it happens to align politically with those constantly crying about “hate speech”.
Sure there’s instances dedicated to being human trash as you’ve put it, but in the general discourse it’s not an issue I’ve noticed, and I think there’s a few reasons for that:
- There are no “Agendas” here yet: Make no mistake there are people spending a lot of money to define the discourse on major platforms. An example people are fairly comfortable acknowledging is the existence of Russian content farms, - a lot of what stirs up bigotry on platforms isn’t genuine users sharing their experiences or hobbies or whatever, it’s people with an agenda astroturfing discontent so their backer can point to it and say “see, the ordinary people are revolting, they would prefer our regime/product/way of life”. I’m not saying every racist on Reddit is a paid actor, I’m sayinga lot of people who haven’t given things much thought are being prodded and goaded into being insensitive through consuming the fake bullshit those people put out.
- There are no advertisers here: Again, look at the major platforms, they sideline content and spaces about sexuality or race because they see these as unpalatable to advertisers. YouTube faced a lawsuit last year for “unlawful content regulation, distribution, and monetization practices that stigmatize, restrict, block, demonetize, and financially harm the LGBT Plaintiffs and the greater LGBT Community.” On YouTube, content is separated not by target age, or [N]SFW status, but advertising palatability.
- These spaces are not US centric. The US has some stupid laws, which Spez alluded to in relation to NSFW content, an example of which is FOSTA-SESTA. This is one of the reasons Tumblr and Only Fans attempted to go SFW. The laws claim to be anti sex trafficing but in reality they’re just social conservatism for the internet age, you’ll note in the link above regarding YouTube, the platforms defense of discrimination was that they were only abiding by the US Communications Decency Act, of which FOSTA-SESTA is an amendment.
The latter two points largely just hide or remove users from platforms, but that contributes to an overall atmosphere where bigotry goes unchallenged or bigot mods support bigot users. If people aren’t seen as a valid part of the community things do go sour from there.
im trans so, the answer is yes. my first day here i saw a christofascist arguing for genocide. very Politely lmao.
ive seen some outbursts on mastodon as well. i was harassed once, and ive seen a bunch of trash on social. my own small mast instance tends to defed when that happens and mastodon has been mostly good for me since i, on an account level, blocked .social.
here i reported the christofascist and it didnt get moderated over the course of the day and tho i know numbers here have blown up, i have some serious concerns about kbin.social that run in line with the nightmare scenario ive seen on mastodon.social (prior to blocking the instance.) even if they bring up the mod count, i suspect we’ll still see neolibs, fascists, and centrists dominate discourse while trans people get treated poorly with little recourse.
with that said, it cant possibly be worse than reddit or twitter so whatever i guess :/
im probably going to get harassed, see tankie shit, see fash shit, see centrists arguing that my right to access healthcare isnt important or shouldnt be prioritized (“its identity politics!!!”) until i find spaces that defederate from “main instances” bc “main instances” tend to exclude minorities in favour of protecting violent or proveably false speech, regardless of the harm it causes. im not sure that will change here. or anywhere.
polite disagreement isn’t hate speech.
None so far. But I’m also for free speech and think mods should only block the worst of the worst like CP or extreme racism. Conspiracy theories and ordinary bigotry/extremism (not directed at a specific person) are fine.
Free speech is not a right to force people to listen to you. One of the good features reddit added was personal block lists. As a user, I should be able to completely ban and not see speech of people I don’t want to engage with. If I could have my own personal AI filter assistant that would be even better, though I suppose that is best built client side.
I’m a fan of the self-censor model. If you don’t want to see something, you should be able to remove it from your view. but you shouldn’t be allowed to determine that someone else isn’t allowed to speak.
