edit: GUYS fuck stalin and fuck tankies, period. i understand that this community is more sensitive than most to pro-stalinist vibes, and i apologize for unintentionally twinging that nerve, but you need stop calling each other (and me) slurs

good heavens, happy new year, fuck incarceration and murder in all forms

(mods pls also do your job and help with the slurs thing)

edit2: big thank u 2 da mods for helping with the slurs thing u guys rock 😎 💕

  • Patapon Enjoyer@lemmy.world
    37·
    6 months ago

    I did some googling out of curiosity, turns out Wikipedia has a whole ass article on it: The US prison rate as of 2021 is 531 per 100000 (peaked in 08 with 755 after a huge spike in the 80s and 90s, I wonder why). In the Soviet Union during the high of the gulag system, it was estimated (by actual historians, not the soviets) to be 714 to 892.

    Apartheid South Africa was 851. Saudi Arabia has 200.

    • lad@programming.dev
      24·
      6 months ago

      You’re counting the percentage of population, in the meme it’s the percentage of all incarcerated people.

      I don’t want to search for stats, but it may be so that with a higher incarceration rate the USSR still held less of the total.

    • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      6 months ago

      What’s your source for the gulag numbers? The wiki lists 18M though the system with a population of 180M, with something like 1.5M deaths. That would seem to indicate a number higher than 1%.

      The emergent consensus among scholars is that, of the 14 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag camps and the 4 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag colonies from 1930 to 1953, roughly 1.5 to 1.7 million prisoners perished there or they died soon after they were released. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

      • Patapon Enjoyer@lemmy.world
        5·
        6 months ago

        It’s in the “more comparisons” section of the article I posted. I should’ve specified all those numbers come from that Wikipedia article.