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The second-largest economy in the world has weakened in the past few years, due to high debt, an aging workforce, slower internal demand, and an ongoing crisis in the real estate sector—the force that had driven much of its explosive growth in the last few decades. These factors were compounded by the COVID-19 pandemic, with the country imposing drastic measures including its zero-COVID policy which lasted until December 2022.
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Forgive the arrogance of this statement, but I find it bewildering how dumb national and international economists are.
Take one step back and there’s a lot of obvious critical flaws in their whole ambition: the kind of growth everyone’s chasing is specific to industrialization. It’s like measuring your child’s height and weight from age 3 to 10 and then trying to keep them growing an inch a year forever. It’s both impossible, and also hugely destructive.
I don’t think economists have some kind of expectation that China should grow forever, merely measuring the temperature of the bath and saying “it’s cooling”.
In a democracy that often leads to a change of government, not always successfully, but definitely consistently. In China the deal the state has with its people is “don’t get involved at our level, and we’ll make sure your wealth is growing. Your kids will go to better schools, get paid better than you were, and you’ll be able to buy a second X”.
What happens to China when that deal breaks? Chinese people have very high saving rates and a lot of it sits in inflated property. If half your savings disappear and your kids prospects get worse, do you put up with what you’re given?
I don’t have answers to these questions but I’m pretty sure China will need some way of managing it. External enemies? Brutal clampdowns? Taking over control of companies and running them poorly? There’s a lot of risk.
I think your assessment is right on. It’s just that this all sounds like an obvious Ponzi scheme. If success is based on endless unsustainable spending and growth, eventually the bubble pops. Plan better.
That’s a good point and on top of that I (not a China expert) am not sure that China values quantifiable growth in the same way the U.S. does, so those figures might just be footnotes on China’s path to wherever it’s going.
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The reported growth of China’s economy in the last year, with its gross domestic product (GDP) expanding 5.2 percent according to the latest official data, doesn’t mean that the country’s troubles are over yet, according to analysts.
The second-largest economy in the world has weakened in the past few years, due to high debt, an aging workforce, slower internal demand, and an ongoing crisis in the real estate sector—the force that had driven much of its explosive growth in the last few decades.
Craig Singleton, senior China fellow at the non-partisan Foundation for Defense of Democracies, said Chinese Prime Minister Li Qiang’s latest claims on the country’s GDP “are just not credible.”
“With Chinese consumption likely to remain low, Beijing appears poised to employ an all-too-familiar playbook to address its economic challenges: cut prices and export excess capacity worldwide,” he said.
That the Chinese economy hasn’t quite recovered to pre-pandemic levels has been evident in the steep decline experienced by its stock market in the past year, a dramatic downturn that has continued in the first weeks of 2024.
This poor market performance is “reflected in lackluster growth in the profits of its listed companies but also, I suspect, growing worries about a ‘hard landing’ in the economy which could be precipitated by its struggling property sector,” Mathews told Newsweek.
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