your using these stats to dismiss people saying men face domestic abuse too
Nobody brought it up. I wasn’t dismissing anything like that.
"men dont face DA as much of women, so they dont matter.
I didn’t say that, nor did I insinuate it. You haven’t made your case, you’ve just said I said something I clearly didn’t say. I don’t know what else to um… say.
So if nobody brought this up, why did you write that edit and bring up these statistics?
I didn’t say that, nor did I insinuate it.
You did though.
this is just rates of violence, of any kind. It says nothing at all about the consequences of that violence. I’ll bet if you looked into that it’s worse for women too. If you’re wondering why so many categories don’t have rates of violence against men, it’s because they have a “high relative standard error”, which is statistics speak for “the rate is so low we can’t properly measure it”.
And you also pull the claim of “women get harsher sentences when they commit DA” out of your arse too.
So you admit that you read “the consequences of that violence” and your mind immediately went to the legal consequences for the perpetrator, instead of thinking about the physical harm done to the victim.
That says basically everything about the butthurt responses in this thread.
So you admit to pulling the claim that men are less affected by abuse then women completely out of your arse based on nothing but your own sexist ideas?
Women are far more likely to be killed by men than vice versa, which is the obvious point I was making. I didn’t want to go find the information because frankly it’s pretty obvious that a man beating up a woman will usually do a lot more damage than a woman beating up a man. That’s why I framed it as a “guess”, so you’re not catching me out on anything here. If you care about the stats you can find them in this thread somewhere.
Should I go ahead and assume that you dodged my question about the thing you clearly admitted because you don’t want to admit it again, because it’s actually really revealing about the kind of person you are, and you don’t want that revealed because deep down you know exactly what kind of person you are?
I didn’t realise you were asking a question. Yes I did interpret it that way, as I believe “consequences” has more association with facing the consequences of your own actions than the physical affects of abuse. So I don’t think this is some big gotcha moment like you’re claiming.
Women are far more likely to be killed by men than vice versa
And men are more likely to take their own life due to suffering abuse, does that not count as a “consequence”
revealing about the kind of person you are, and you don’t want that revealed because deep down you know exactly what kind of person you are
And here we go with the redditor mentality of trying imply you can physcho-analyse me to be some horrible person because I dared to disagree with you on the internet. I have been polite with you from the start and all you’ve done is act like a child that cares more about “winning” an argument than anything else.
But yes I do know what kind of person I am, someone that’s survived DA and has has to fight people like you constantly who want to dismiss it because “☝️🤓 well Women are more often victims of abuse than men” which is exactly the argument you started with and have been simultaneously defending and denying you’re even making this whole time.
someone that’s survived DA and has has to fight people like you constantly who want to dismiss it because “☝️🤓 well Women are more often victims of abuse than men”
I would never tell an individual that their trauma doesn’t matter. You keep saying I did this, and you have not even once shown me where or how I did that. Just quote the place where I said this. I would love to understand.
they are just trying to twist words to make it sound like maybe there’s some equivalence here. Have some statistics from Australia. You can look them up for your country if you care:
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If you’re wondering why so many categories don’t have rates of violence against men, it’s because they have a “high relative standard error”, which is statistics speak for “the rate is so low we can’t properly measure it”.
and I get that pointing this out is completely pointless because you’ll just say “That not what i was implying” without offering an explanation as to what you’re actually implying or having the self awareness to realise my original comment was saying “Which im sure isnt what you’re trying to say, but its the insinuation you present whenever you bring up stats like these.”
But then you both doubled down on defending that insinuation as well as denying you insinuated it. Which is insane and leads me to believe you did actually intent to say.
I’m pointing out rates of violence to show that women in general do have good cause to be cautious and overly polite when rejecting men. And the point about the rate being so low is just a statistical fact. It is in fact too low to reliably measure.
If you want to explain how this creates an insinuation that your abuse doesn’t matter, or any other insinuation, you need to explain it, because I didn’t say it. I’ll try to understand where you think the insinuation comes from, but I don’t see it currently.
You’re saying you want an explanation from me, but you haven’t provided an explanation yourself either. You have just given me bald assertions.
Nobody brought it up. I wasn’t dismissing anything like that.
I didn’t say that, nor did I insinuate it. You haven’t made your case, you’ve just said I said something I clearly didn’t say. I don’t know what else to um… say.
So if nobody brought this up, why did you write that edit and bring up these statistics?
You did though.
And you also pull the claim of “women get harsher sentences when they commit DA” out of your arse too.
So you admit that you read “the consequences of that violence” and your mind immediately went to the legal consequences for the perpetrator, instead of thinking about the physical harm done to the victim.
That says basically everything about the butthurt responses in this thread.
So you admit to pulling the claim that men are less affected by abuse then women completely out of your arse based on nothing but your own sexist ideas?
Women are far more likely to be killed by men than vice versa, which is the obvious point I was making. I didn’t want to go find the information because frankly it’s pretty obvious that a man beating up a woman will usually do a lot more damage than a woman beating up a man. That’s why I framed it as a “guess”, so you’re not catching me out on anything here. If you care about the stats you can find them in this thread somewhere.
Should I go ahead and assume that you dodged my question about the thing you clearly admitted because you don’t want to admit it again, because it’s actually really revealing about the kind of person you are, and you don’t want that revealed because deep down you know exactly what kind of person you are?
I didn’t realise you were asking a question. Yes I did interpret it that way, as I believe “consequences” has more association with facing the consequences of your own actions than the physical affects of abuse. So I don’t think this is some big gotcha moment like you’re claiming.
And men are more likely to take their own life due to suffering abuse, does that not count as a “consequence”
And here we go with the redditor mentality of trying imply you can physcho-analyse me to be some horrible person because I dared to disagree with you on the internet. I have been polite with you from the start and all you’ve done is act like a child that cares more about “winning” an argument than anything else.
But yes I do know what kind of person I am, someone that’s survived DA and has has to fight people like you constantly who want to dismiss it because “☝️🤓 well Women are more often victims of abuse than men” which is exactly the argument you started with and have been simultaneously defending and denying you’re even making this whole time.
I would never tell an individual that their trauma doesn’t matter. You keep saying I did this, and you have not even once shown me where or how I did that. Just quote the place where I said this. I would love to understand.
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and I get that pointing this out is completely pointless because you’ll just say “That not what i was implying” without offering an explanation as to what you’re actually implying or having the self awareness to realise my original comment was saying “Which im sure isnt what you’re trying to say, but its the insinuation you present whenever you bring up stats like these.”
But then you both doubled down on defending that insinuation as well as denying you insinuated it. Which is insane and leads me to believe you did actually intent to say.
I’m pointing out rates of violence to show that women in general do have good cause to be cautious and overly polite when rejecting men. And the point about the rate being so low is just a statistical fact. It is in fact too low to reliably measure.
If you want to explain how this creates an insinuation that your abuse doesn’t matter, or any other insinuation, you need to explain it, because I didn’t say it. I’ll try to understand where you think the insinuation comes from, but I don’t see it currently.
You’re saying you want an explanation from me, but you haven’t provided an explanation yourself either. You have just given me bald assertions.