Hating Vaush isn’t exclusive to MLs, but looking at your profile it’s pretty obvious you’re an ML, that’s why I said that. The shit people constantly throw at Vaush is just blatantly not true and has proven false so many times.
Edit: Claiming that you’ve never met a single person that “actually organizes” that doesn’t hate Vaush is probably true for you, since your standard for what defines a “leftist” is believing Stalin did nothing wrong and that Ukraine should just give up and let imperialist genocidal Russia take their territory.
Right now I am sure, but that doesn’t change any problem with him so pointing it out is moot. I was an anarchist prior to realising that I couldn’t morally live with myself knowing the ideology isn’t equipped for the time limit we have on the climate crisis.
blatantly not true
Long list here, citations included. Oh and here too.
EDIT: Nice edit. I’ve never said either of those things but keep building strawmen and doing soft holocaust denial. W/e.
EDIT: Nice edit. I’ve never said either of those things but keep building strawmen and doing soft holocaust denial. W/e.
Sure, as far as I know you didn’t directly say those things and I’m sure that’s not what your actively thinking about in your head, I was being a bit hyperbolic. However that’s what your ideas lead to, you say:
Everyone needs to sit around a table and negotiate to end this. And that’s likely going to need to involve Ukraine giving up something and Russia giving up something, in order for both sides to walk away from this with some way to look like they won.
This is what I’m talking about. These kind of ideas are inherently pro-Russia because they would very likely result in Ukraine being forced into giving up a large amount of their territory to Russia and probably worse. Russia invaded without provocation and Ukraine is defending itself, why should they give up anything to Russia? Considering how well they’re defending themselves, I don’t know why they would.
Anyone that has to make 1 hour long videos addressing their racism, sexpestery, massive amount of sussy pedophilia shit and generally being considered a blight by every single actual organiser then you’re not worth anyone’s time. Lmao.
This is what I’m talking about. These kind of ideas are inherently pro-Russia because they would very likely result in Ukraine being forced into giving up a large amount of their territory to Russia and probably worse. Russia invaded without provocation and Ukraine is defending itself, why should they give up anything to Russia? Considering how well they’re defending themselves, I don’t know why they would.
That’s not at all what you said before though is it? They’re not inherently pro-russia it’s called being in-touch with reality and recognising what is necessary to stop thousands of more people dying. Your position is a nationalist pro-war position seeking to preserve the state and deny russia anything at all and you’re willing to expend as many lives as you have to. My position is to end it literally as soon as possible to save as many lives of people as possible - both Russian AND Ukrainian lives that are being destroyed for nationalist bullshit - through whatever that takes. I care significantly more about the people involved than lines on a map or borders or what state that I oppose runs what outlines on a map. It is ironic that all of vaush’s followers call themselves anarchists while taking up this nationalist position seeking to expend lives over which bourgeoisie rule over the people within which lines on the map.
This is some great whataboutism though. You guys like that word right? This has nothing to do with vaush.
Gonna block your instance now. Keep defending the rapey sexpest or whatever. Later.
Russia doesn’t want peace, if they wanted peace, they wouldn’t have invaded. Russia hasn’t engaged in any actual reasonable talks with Ukraine because they don’t want to, it’s that simple.
Calling it “nationalist bullshit” to not want your country to be invaded by a fascist oligarchy is actually insane, those “lines on a map” actually matter to the Ukrainian people who actually live there and whose lives will be destroyed living under Russian occupation, the Russian military has already committed countless war crimes and raped literal children in Ukraine. I gave you benefit of the doubt before, but your obviously just some Russian apologist tankie.
Any actual leftist would be able recognize that a fascist oligarchy invading a liberal democracy is bad a thing, actually.
Edit: Seriously though, In the real world, not some communist revolution fantasy you’ve made up in your head, borders do matter and peoples lives are massively effected by them. It’s completely delusional to believe that living under fascist Russian occupation won’t result in the suffering of Ukrainian people.
Hating Vaush isn’t exclusive to MLs, but looking at your profile it’s pretty obvious you’re an ML, that’s why I said that. The shit people constantly throw at Vaush is just blatantly not true and has proven false so many times.
Edit: Claiming that you’ve never met a single person that “actually organizes” that doesn’t hate Vaush is probably true for you, since your standard for what defines a “leftist” is believing Stalin did nothing wrong and that Ukraine should just give up and let imperialist genocidal Russia take their territory.
Right now I am sure, but that doesn’t change any problem with him so pointing it out is moot. I was an anarchist prior to realising that I couldn’t morally live with myself knowing the ideology isn’t equipped for the time limit we have on the climate crisis.
Long list here, citations included. Oh and here too.
EDIT: Nice edit. I’ve never said either of those things but keep building strawmen and doing soft holocaust denial. W/e.
Looks like same stuff they’re always accusing him of, here’s a video where he goes over most of it, if you care enough to watch it.
Sure, as far as I know you didn’t directly say those things and I’m sure that’s not what your actively thinking about in your head, I was being a bit hyperbolic. However that’s what your ideas lead to, you say:
This is what I’m talking about. These kind of ideas are inherently pro-Russia because they would very likely result in Ukraine being forced into giving up a large amount of their territory to Russia and probably worse. Russia invaded without provocation and Ukraine is defending itself, why should they give up anything to Russia? Considering how well they’re defending themselves, I don’t know why they would.
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Anyone that has to make 1 hour long videos addressing their racism, sexpestery, massive amount of sussy pedophilia shit and generally being considered a blight by every single actual organiser then you’re not worth anyone’s time. Lmao.
That’s not at all what you said before though is it? They’re not inherently pro-russia it’s called being in-touch with reality and recognising what is necessary to stop thousands of more people dying. Your position is a nationalist pro-war position seeking to preserve the state and deny russia anything at all and you’re willing to expend as many lives as you have to. My position is to end it literally as soon as possible to save as many lives of people as possible - both Russian AND Ukrainian lives that are being destroyed for nationalist bullshit - through whatever that takes. I care significantly more about the people involved than lines on a map or borders or what state that I oppose runs what outlines on a map. It is ironic that all of vaush’s followers call themselves anarchists while taking up this nationalist position seeking to expend lives over which bourgeoisie rule over the people within which lines on the map.
This is some great whataboutism though. You guys like that word right? This has nothing to do with vaush.
Gonna block your instance now. Keep defending the rapey sexpest or whatever. Later.
You’ve probably already blocked me, but whatever.
Russia doesn’t want peace, if they wanted peace, they wouldn’t have invaded. Russia hasn’t engaged in any actual reasonable talks with Ukraine because they don’t want to, it’s that simple.
Calling it “nationalist bullshit” to not want your country to be invaded by a fascist oligarchy is actually insane, those “lines on a map” actually matter to the Ukrainian people who actually live there and whose lives will be destroyed living under Russian occupation, the Russian military has already committed countless war crimes and raped literal children in Ukraine. I gave you benefit of the doubt before, but your obviously just some Russian apologist tankie.
Any actual leftist would be able recognize that a fascist oligarchy invading a liberal democracy is bad a thing, actually.
Edit: Seriously though, In the real world, not some communist revolution fantasy you’ve made up in your head, borders do matter and peoples lives are massively effected by them. It’s completely delusional to believe that living under fascist Russian occupation won’t result in the suffering of Ukrainian people.