• BassTurd@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Scooters and bikes are not viable when it’s literally freezing outside, especially with bad weather conditions. Unless there is transportation literally right out of my door, I would sooner keep my eyes on the road and drive myself. Trains and buses don’t stop at the gas station on my way into work to grab my drink for the day, and if they do, they aren’t waiting for me. If I need to run some errands, like go to the doctor or run to the hardware store, that is significantly less convenient with public transportation. I just got 4 bags of softener salt the other day that totaled 160 lbs. Not a chance I would try to lug that on a bike or carry it on and off a bus or train. I’m not saying I wouldn’t use it sometimes, and have in cities like Minneapolis and New York, but I was visiting and either didn’t have a car or wasn’t in condition to drive so worked around it. Again, they can coexist , but fighting electric vehicles of all things is a dumb fight.

    • chocoladisco@feddit.de
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      1 year ago

      Bikes work just fine when it is freezing.

      Source: Have biked in sub zero often.

      Btw it is possible to plan cities so you are not car dependent:

      If I need to run some errands: I walk

      If I need to go to the doctor: I walk

      Hardware store: I walk

      Do I need 80kgs of crap at home? Seldomly, but if I need it I put it in my bike trailer.

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        1 year ago

        And if any of the distances between your errands or home are too much for you to walk, a frequent public transport network makes it easy to just hop on and off as needed, and not have to worry about parking. And for carrying a lot, cargo bike rentals are really cool, but just paying for delivery works well too.

    • Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.worldOPM
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      1 year ago

      I live in Canada. I rode my scooter to work all winter (including in -14 celsius weather) without issue thanks to good bike infrastructure that gets plowed promptly. Quite a few cyclists in my city do the same, as it’s actually not nearly as bad as you might imagine it, provided your city actually cares about bike infrastructure. It was actually pretty fun.

      For more, there are cargo ebikes or even just renting a car for the occasions that you do need to carry heavy stuff. And for most average people, we don’t lug around 160 lbs on a daily basis.

      My point in all of this is not that we should make a car-free society. It’s that our focus on “oh, let’s just switch to EVs and change absolutely nothing else in society!” is misguided. Sure, there are certain things cars can do that won’t be replaced, at least not any time soon, but plenty of places in the world already thrive with much fewer cars and much more micomobility and public transit.

    • BURN@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      I’m with you here

      I’m not biking in the rain. Period. That is miserable and I’m not subjecting myself to it. I’ve done it, it sucked. I turned up to work soaking wet and very unhappy. Snow is a complete non-starter since my city is famous for poor snow management.