• @runswithjedi@lemmy.world
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    1712 days ago

    This is why people need to focus on both the costs and the BENEFITS in a cost/benefit analysis. Benefits can include reduced cost!

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      1912 days ago

      As someone with extensive experience in being politically steamrolled by rightwing conservative nutjobs, let me just say that:

      #1 they will never argue in good faith. So don’t use logic or reason as they’ll only attack and keep spouting their talking points. It’s a waste of time. Once the basic premise has been stated, it’s time to disengage. “discussion” will never enter into it.

      #2 they will never stop as long as someone stands to lose money and someone stands to gain money (occasionally power, usually interchangable, but the easier metric is money).

      #3 since trump, the right wing has gone apeshit all over the world in every country and the tactics and results are always the same. They get the press to allow them to be batshit, and they cheat their way into eternal power.

      #4 Be safe out there Canada.

      • @Windex007@lemmy.world
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        1112 days ago

        As someone who has extensive experience in NOT being politically steamrolled:

        #1) Trevor Noah and John Oliver have never changed a mind, don’t emulate them. There is no audience. There are no punchlines. If you feel the urge to “dunk”, stop.

        #2) Avoid the association to politics and identity as long as possible. This is where all the conflict is. People have made politics their identity (this is NOT exclusive to the right). As soon as a conversation is perceived to be an attack against their identity, the productive avenues for discussion are over.

        #3) Talk about things outside of the context of politics. They probably have someone in their extended sphere struggling with pain medication addiction. Or mental health.

        #4) Allow them to in the course of the conversation rebuild their identity around the non political compassion for the people they know who are struggling. Because they probably have that

        #5) After a discussion where you’re agreeing with eachother the whole time about how crushing something has been for people that they’ve seen, you’ll be at a point where they just assume you have the same politics. Why wouldn’t you? You’ve had a deep conversation and you agree about the existence of some big problems… That’s when you can let it slip. Not “dunk”, but slip, about how this is why you’re jazzed about some specific POLICY that could help. It just happens to be a liberal or NDP one.

        Honestly it’s not hard. If it’s hard you’ve been watching too much media designed to sell left to left. You don’t sell left to right the way you sell left to left. Step away from politics and re-learn how to have a normal conversation first.

        • Shake747
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          12 days ago

          Well articulated! I wish we could operate in that space more often.

          Healthy discourse might get us humans somewhere instead of infighting with our neighbors

      • enkers
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        212 days ago

        Just a heads up on formatting markdown: # indicates a heading, that’s why your text is huge. If you want a numbered list, just put the number followed by a period.

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