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      This is largely because of the traditional use of fish-based finings (isinglass) which clarify yeast from beer. Just about any keg beer, including small batch and craft, won’t use this any more, its not needed or effective. And for bottled and cask conditioned beers/ales the price and effectiveness of vegan finings has gone down and up respectively quite a bit in the past few years, so non-vegan beers are definitely in the minority. Even in the UK (where cask is far more common).

      No idea about wine though.

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      That’s because vegan rules are ridiculously draconian. Vegan or not, all beer and wine is plant-based.

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        No, some are made by fining with animal products like isinglass (fish based) or gelatin (usually pig based)

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          Plant based ≠ 100% plant matter. Your absolutism is ridiculous and reminiscent of racist “one drop” policies.

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            That’s like saying a burger is plant based since the patty and cheese are the only non-plant based parts. That’s ridiculous and just not what the word plant-based means.

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              No it isn’t. Plant-based means based on plants, which a beer is and a burger isn’t.

              Movies and TV shows can be based on a true story without being documentaries,. It’s the same thing with plant-based food that isn’t 100% vegan.

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                Language is interesting in this way. Same words in different contexts mean different things.

                “Based on true events” = “Contains traces of what actually happened”

                “Plant based” = “Does not contain animal products but can contain mushrooms even though they are not plants”

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                  Well that’s just stupid and counter-intuitive, not to mention surrendering clarity to appease absolutists 🤦

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                    It all depends on what is actually trying to be communicated. With your definition most meals would be plant based so why even bother to say it. With definition where plant based means no animal products it communicates that it is fine for vegans and it’s likely less offensive for people allergic to word “vegan”.

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                    It all depends on what is actually trying to be communicated. With your definition most meals would be plant based so why even bother to say it. With definition where plant based means no animal products it communicates that it is fine for vegans and it’s likely less offensive for people allergic to word “vegan”.

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            Wtf else could it possibly mean dude? I’m not even vegan but that’s exactly what I’d expect. Plant based is a meaningless term if you can throw animal parts in and still call it plant based.

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              There are more than just plants and animals. Mushrooms are neither plant nor animal. Fungi are their own classification

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        Although there are beers with lactose added (eg milkshake ipas have it for texture and taste), but those are an exception of course.