Victoria Antoinette

if it were true, you could provide proof, instead of rhetoric.

I seem to recall that the anonymity of car is based on obscuring transactions through bundling, but that method was deanonymized by poisoning wallrts somehow. this was like 10 years ago so my memory is fuzzy.

saying it doesn’t make it true.

Factory farming is a response to public demand for meat.

I think this is a fiction.

no one is torturing animals or paying people to do it.

words do have meanings. what is the opposite of supernatural?

using a byproduct that would otherwise go to waste is good

no one is torturing animals.

it’s a simple question that has nothing to do with me.

if you know a way to raise animals for products at the current scale and price without any pain or discomfort, you should let us know.

if there were no pain or discomfort, it wouldn’t be torture.

I didn’t say he’s off base. I said it’s useless. he’s not actually making a claim that I can use to predict anything.

synthetics are natural. they’re not supernatural.

how many farmers did they ask for their reasons for planting soybeans?

what is the rate at which consolidation if parties occurs? if a fptp system exists with more than two parties, what reason do we have to believe it will consolidate, and when?

I havent changed my position at all. that’s not talking in circles.

I have read plenty, (you didn’t think I was looking all this up just today, did you?) and i have told you a story in which the objective facts are indisputable. the only point of disagreement we have is how to interpret those facts, and I have given actual reasoning for my interpretation, while you said “look it up”.

it’s not accurate to say the soy beans are grown for animals at all though. they’re grown for markets and soild health. markets value the oil far higher on a per pound basis than the rest of the bean. I just can’t believe a telling of the story of soybeans that places animal feed so prominently, when it’s literally the industrial waste that is fed to animals.

over 80% of soy is pressed for oil. they press it in an oil press. The byproduct of that process is soy meal or soy cake. The oil is only about 20% of the bean but makes up about half of its crop value. soybeans are grown for oil and because they rotate with corn. they help fixate nitrogen for other crops and they produce oil. The fact that we’re able to also feed the byproduct of the oil production to animals is a conservation of resources.

torture is a specific thing. there may be a medical reason to do it. if I cut off your foot, that might be a form of torture, but if I do it because it’s dangerous or mangled, it’s a mercy. the intent matters. incidental pain is not torture.