And we could save a lot of people if they put on helmets to walk down stairs, and yet I don’t see anyone saying that people are stupid not to wear them.
And your friend, if he drives at 30mph, of course he has to wear a helmet, but the subject is not a sporty practice of cycling, but bike commuting. And helmets does not protect you from a shitty infrastructure and tank-like cars that run you over, so maybe it would be good to stop insulting people and bring some nuance to this debate.
Guess dutch people are stupid, but at least they have way less death per kilometer while cycling ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ctrl + F “nucléaire” -> Pas de mention de sortie, juste l’arrêt de la fusion de l’ASN et de l’IRSN qui est une évidence
Ctrl + F “Ukraine” -> Rien
Putain ils l’ont fait les cons, ils ont réussi à faire un programme en sortant les points vraiment clivants. Je vais pouvoir voter sans un seul petit remord, enfin
Ah oui les fameux gens de gauche qui votent Le Pen uniquement parcequ’ils n’aiment pas la personnalité de Mélenchon. A moins que tu ne parles maintenant plus des gens qui veulent voter à gauche mais de la population générale ? Je ne suis pas sûr de te suivre mais je crois que tu changes de sujet.
J’ai pas dit “gens de gauche”, j’ai dit, je me cite : « Pour tous ceux qui ne sont pas des partisans LFI et qui cherchent qui voter à gauche »
J’ai fait exprès de choisir soigneusement mes termes, merci de ne pas les déformer. Et si tu doutes qu’ils existent, je rappellerai qu’il y a eu 17% de report de voix depuis LFI vers le RN au deuxième tour de 2022, donc des gens qui hésitaient entre Mélenchon et Le Pen au premier tour, ça doit bien exister.
Ton sondage montre juste que les gens dans cet échantillon ont d’abord choisi sur 1) le programme et 2) Les chances de passer au second tour. Il demande les motivations principales de leur vote, pas si ils aiment Mélenchon.
La ligne qui nous intéresse, c’est « La personnalité du candidat », et Mélenchon est avant-dernier ex-æquo avec Hidalgo, et à peine au-dessus de Jadot. Ça veut dire que même parmi ses propres votants, Mélenchon n’est pas populaire, alors maintenant imagine sa popularité chez les votants d’autres partis et les abstentionnistes.
Et puis bon, c’est gentil les concours de popularité mais à ce jeu là Roussel serait devant tout le monde à gauche. Ce qui nous intéresse les plus c’est les élections et, en l’occurrence, le constat est clair : les électeurs de gauche on massivement voté Mélenchon, par adhésion à ses idées.
Bah oui, c’est exactement ça, ils ont voté massivement Mélenchon, par adhésion aux idées de LFI (bon score sur la première ligne), par vote utile (bon score sur la troisième ligne), mais malgré le candidat (mauvais score sur la deuxième ligne).
comme la sortie du nucléaire ou “le refus de l’escalade de la guerre en Ukraine”
Mais au secours putain
T’as un gros problème de logique là, être le premier parti de gauche ça ne prouve pas que LFI n’aurait pas pu faire mieux sans Mélenchon (= qu’il n’est pas un repoussoir), et ça ne prouve absolument pas que tous la quasi-totalité des non-partisans de LFI qui cherchent un candidat valable à gauche ont voté pour lui.
Dans ton raisonnement, tu occultes tous les votants qui ont voté dans d’autres partis par dépit, dont un nombre significatifs se reportent même à l’extrême droite, et tu occultes les abstentionnistes qui ne se sont pas déplacés faute de candidat valable.
Regarde la gueule de certains sondages, c’est flagrant que beaucoup votent LFI malgré Mélenchon, il a la même popularité que Hidalgo parmi leurs votants respectifs.
Je veux bien que tu m’expliques le rapport là. La seule chose que ces chiffres montrent, c’est que LFI a eu le plus de votes parmi les partis de gauche, et ce n’est pas ce que tu as prétendu.
Source ?
Pour tous ceux qui ne sont pas des partisans LFI et qui cherchent qui voter à gauche
Un pacte pour la France
Un front populaire pour une République sociale et écologique
Un.e seul.e candidat.e à gauche dans chaque circonscription le 30 juin prochain
François Roussel, aujourd’hui
Come on, even the comment above it specifically mention waste generated by nuclear power and its management
I did not berated you, I corrected you. If being corrected feel like being berated to you, maybe fact check yourself before commenting
I brush it off because nuclear has exactly the same problem. Worse, actually. We know what happens when you build solar, wind, and storage: on average, things get built on time and in budget. We also know what happens when we build nuclear: it doubles its schedule and budget and makes companies go bankrupt. One is way easier to scale up than the other.
No, just no.
We know what happens when we build nuclear:
It’s called France.
We also know what happens when we want to do without nuclear when we don’t have hydro-electricity:
It’s called Germany.
Take this [map] (https://app.electricitymaps.com/map)
Can you tell me how much green countries do you see which does not rely on hydro and/or nuclear?
The answer is: >!not. A. Single. One. Even after trillions of euros invested in it worldwide, not one country managed to reduce their electricity carbon print without nuclear or hydro.!<
If all the paperwork was done and signed off today, there wouldn’t be a single GW of new nuclear produced in the US before 2030. Even optimistic schedules are running up against that limit.
Why this arbitrary date? In five and a half years, there would be no power plant, but if you launch 15 1GW projects in parallel, maybe it will take 15 years to build because of legal recourse as well as a shortage of engineers/technicians because people have been told for 30 years that nuclear is Satan and we want to stop. But after 15 years you have 15GW of nuclear.
But how long before we find a solution for storage? How much will it cost? Is it even possible to store so much energy with our space constraints and physical resources?
The debates and even this thread are filled with “we could totally go 100% renewables with political will and investments”. No you could not, that’s called wishful thinking. In reality you can’t force your way through technological innovation by throwing money and gathering political will, or else we would skip renewables and go straight to nuclear fusion.
On thing that money and political will can help with, on the other hand, is to speed up and reducing costs to build nuclear. But somehow, you act like nuclear is inherently too slow to build, before an arbitrary date that you forget conveniently when we’re talking about renewable storage. It’s called hypocrisy and double standards.
React to demand in minutes? Cute. Because most energy storage works by being pulled by demand directly rather than reacting to it, things change almost instantly.
I just proved that your theory is wrong by bringing up empirical data gathered over a whole country, why do you keep insisting?
France made a record year last year, with 320TWh of nuclear power produced for a total of 434 TWh of electricity, while being the top exporter of electricity of Europe.
I don’t know how they got to 1000TWh of nuclear a year, I suspect weed.
In Germany, we’ve got a location with 47,000 cubic meters: https://www.bge.de/en/asse/
Read your link: 47 000m³ of low and intermediate radioactive waste.
Low radioactive waste is objects (paper, clothing, etc…) which contain a small amount of short-lived radioactivity, and it mostly comes from the medical fields, not nuclear plants, so even if you phase out of nuclear, you’ll have to deal with it anyway.
This waste makes up for the vast majority (94% in UK for example) of the nuclear waste produced, and you can just leave it that way a few years, then dispose of it as any other waste.
Intermediate radioactivity waste is irradiated components of nuclear power plants. They are in solid form and do not require any special arrangement to store them as they do not heat up. This includes shorts and long-lived waste and represents only a small part of the volume of radioactive waste produced (4% in UK).
So you’re mostly dealing with your medical nuclear waste right here, and you can thank your anti-nuclear folks for blocking most of your infrastructure construction projects to store this kind of waste.
They just need to be scaled up at this point.
“We totally can go to Mars, we have engines, they just need to be scaled up at this point”
Scaling up is almost the entirety of the problem that needs to be solved, you can’t just brush it aside like this.
Check my comment that shows the scale of the problem
No traditional power plant can match demand exactly, and large amounts of power are wasted as a result
Absolutely false. Power consumption is very stable and previsible, plants can react in minutes, and the surproduction is small enough to be stored or exported.
The French electricity system operator, RTE, provides all the information on this subject:
That’s some nice fanfic you wrote but I don’t think we should base our real world decisions on your little ideas.
Point the flaws in my logic, debate my ideas, or just leave. Don’t waste your time making another reply if you can’t keep respectful, I won’t bother reading it.
It’s very easy to find this information so I can only assume you’re arguing in bad faith, but regardless, here are a few starting points for your research. You could also maybe just search it yourself instead of wasting my time and yours with your ridiculous example of a single hydroelectric dam.
Asking for sources and data to support a disputed claim is the basis of scientific debate. Becoming aggressive and disrespectful after such a mundane request is much more revealing of who is debating in good faith here.
TLDR : The study does not support the claim made in the title. It just says that it will be economically feasible. When asked about if its physically possible, they just throw some vague techno-solutionism, and even admit that 100% renewable will may never be actually possible
A request must be made to access this article, I highly doubt that you made one and actually read that report, so I won’t waste my time either.
This report does not even relate to our debate at all, it theorizes multiple scenarios for 2050, does not tell if it’s feasible and how, and none of these scenarios are 100% renewables anyway. This is out of subject.
I’m not going to bother to keep going, it becomes obvious that you just took random studies whose title seemed to support vaguely your points , hoping that I’m as bad-faith as you and I that I won’t open them.
Your statements are based on void and you become aggressive when asked for explanations. I take back what I have above: don’t bother to answer at all, I’m just going to ignore you from now on.
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