I honestly can’t tell if people that write this type of stuff are delusional or misinformed or both or what’s going on. Ah, yes, a “referendum”, announced 3 days in advance, done in less than a week, in the middle of a war-zone, with a refugee crisis happening, with invading soldiers on every corner, with no multiple unbiased third party observers. Mariupol had over 400 000 people before this invasion, in January, and now it has less than 100 000. The Catalan referendum took literal years (the Catalonia/Spain situation and what I may or may not think of it being beside the point) to be finished. The only time I can think of this kind of referendum happening was with that guy with a mustache in Austria, but that’s not a flattering look, you don’t want that comparison.
In the most recent elections in 2019 the “pro-Russian” parties and candidates (the blue ones, and only the dark blue one was decisively pro-Russian, the leader of the light blue party had this to say once the invasion happened) didn’t constitute the majority anywhere, especially not in southern Ukraine. And for those who did vote, voting for a party that wants closer ties with Russia and joining CIS (“Russia’s EU” ) means you want to be annexed into Russia they same way voting for a pro-EU party and closer ties with the EU means you want to be annexed into Poland. In case it’s not clear, it doesn’t.
And to top it all of, you’ll notice the area that voted in a higher amount for closer ties with Russia and voted for the “pro-peace” parties as they were called, in a more detailed view, through several stages of the election, almost matches the borders of the oblasts, one, two, three, and not any kind of ethnic or declared language or linguistic boundaries. Which means people there are sick of a war ravaging their home, their towns being cut of from the regional center, where their kids might’ve went to uni before the war, and so on, and most poeple don’t care about the whole “we’re Russians, we love Russia, we want to be a part of it so bad” kind of thing.
The only regions that might make some sense are Crimea and the former secessionist area, but I guess we’ll never know for sure, with how those annexations and invasions were carried out too. And guess what, when Crimea was invaded, the world mostly didn’t care, even Ukraine mostly just “sent a stern letter”. When the Donbas secessionists did their thing, the world still mostly didn’t care. Ukraine, of course had to, it was a mixed area with no clear borders, of course it had to respond. There was no slow build up to a referendum, nothing, just a straight up secession in a mixed area. And even then, the new border seems to have mostly matched the area of ethnic Russians which means, probable local support, and it divided the oblasts in half, roughly accordingly to support, and the border was frozen, for almost a decade.
The main reason this invasion is happening is because Putin and his oligarch and KGB clique are deathly afraid of a more democratic and pro-EU Russian-language-knowing-and-speaking country right next door and what it could do to their power positions. And the US and Russia battling for better power positioning over the backs of Ukraininans. And so they went for a land bridge to Crimea, whether the people there want it or not, with military force, and they went for puting a ball and a chain on the ankle of Ukraine, that’s what this is about. Probably mix in a bit of delusional nationalistic grandeur on Putin’s part of wanting to have a “legacy”, and a bit of paranoia, and what not.
Acting like this 2022 invasion is what the people of Ukraine wanted is ridiculous.
This implies nuclear war is an option on the table, definitely a bad call. Additionally, wouldn’t this mean the US has ample security? Based on their routine war crimes I’d think the opposite. Their weaponry does however ensure worldwide chaos, especially if a country wants to drop the dollar or has natural resources to exploit.
Absolutely. No one would realistically think about an attack on American soil, just like with any other nuclear power.
So thats it, got nukes and you’ll get space, otherwise bend over as the US is coming for all your shit? Maybe its the insane spending on weaponry which allows the US to run a muck overseas destroying any shred of security in other country’s.
How so? USA terrorising the rest of the world does not contradict my initial statement.
Your statement permits terrorism, weapons equaling security is just downstream lockheed martin & friends propaganda. Where as security by definition means being free from danger or threat. Russian and US both possessing nukes derails any global security and more so in those two country’s, no?
I did’t claim nuclear weapons being a solution for world peace. It is just that in the current state of the world, Russia would be the least to need “security guarantees” because no one would attack them anyway. You, however, make it appear I suggest to arm up anyone. But whatever, just keep twisting my words to fit your narrative ✌️
The article is about peace, granted world peace is a long way off but you eat an elephant one bite at a time, starting by ending current wars. Stating nukes equal security is what I don’t agree with at all and I was just trying to expand on your stance. All in all, it is not a logical approach at all to say if a country has nukes they can’t ask for some assurance they won’t be neede 🤷♂️
The Crimean bridge between Russia and Russian Crimea is outside of Russia?
The previous poster said no one would attack Russia. Which is untrue.
When y’all sign up, do they make you use your own account? Are you paid by the day or by the comment? It’s by the comment, right? You’ve got a whole Dickens thing going on.
Russia has nuclear weapons. That was and will be a sufficient security guarantee.
That doesn’t seem to be sufficient to keep the Russian territories of the Donbas from bombings.
What Russian territories? The fake ones that they don’t even entirely occupy?
Oh pingveno, don’t they give you time off at Eglin?
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill.”
I actually think you’re a sophisticated AI built to spread NATO white supremacy to nerds.
I’m not wrong. Russia simply declared that a large part of Ukraine that has no legitimate claim over was now Russian. Doesn’t make it so.
Hey Alexa, what’s a referendum?
I honestly can’t tell if people that write this type of stuff are delusional or misinformed or both or what’s going on. Ah, yes, a “referendum”, announced 3 days in advance, done in less than a week, in the middle of a war-zone, with a refugee crisis happening, with invading soldiers on every corner, with no multiple unbiased third party observers. Mariupol had over 400 000 people before this invasion, in January, and now it has less than 100 000. The Catalan referendum took literal years (the Catalonia/Spain situation and what I may or may not think of it being beside the point) to be finished. The only time I can think of this kind of referendum happening was with that guy with a mustache in Austria, but that’s not a flattering look, you don’t want that comparison.
In the most recent elections in 2019 the “pro-Russian” parties and candidates (the blue ones, and only the dark blue one was decisively pro-Russian, the leader of the light blue party had this to say once the invasion happened) didn’t constitute the majority anywhere, especially not in southern Ukraine. And for those who did vote, voting for a party that wants closer ties with Russia and joining CIS (“Russia’s EU” ) means you want to be annexed into Russia they same way voting for a pro-EU party and closer ties with the EU means you want to be annexed into Poland. In case it’s not clear, it doesn’t.
And to top it all of, you’ll notice the area that voted in a higher amount for closer ties with Russia and voted for the “pro-peace” parties as they were called, in a more detailed view, through several stages of the election, almost matches the borders of the oblasts, one, two, three, and not any kind of ethnic or declared language or linguistic boundaries. Which means people there are sick of a war ravaging their home, their towns being cut of from the regional center, where their kids might’ve went to uni before the war, and so on, and most poeple don’t care about the whole “we’re Russians, we love Russia, we want to be a part of it so bad” kind of thing.
The only regions that might make some sense are Crimea and the former secessionist area, but I guess we’ll never know for sure, with how those annexations and invasions were carried out too. And guess what, when Crimea was invaded, the world mostly didn’t care, even Ukraine mostly just “sent a stern letter”. When the Donbas secessionists did their thing, the world still mostly didn’t care. Ukraine, of course had to, it was a mixed area with no clear borders, of course it had to respond. There was no slow build up to a referendum, nothing, just a straight up secession in a mixed area. And even then, the new border seems to have mostly matched the area of ethnic Russians which means, probable local support, and it divided the oblasts in half, roughly accordingly to support, and the border was frozen, for almost a decade.
The main reason this invasion is happening is because Putin and his oligarch and KGB clique are deathly afraid of a more democratic and pro-EU Russian-language-knowing-and-speaking country right next door and what it could do to their power positions. And the US and Russia battling for better power positioning over the backs of Ukraininans. And so they went for a land bridge to Crimea, whether the people there want it or not, with military force, and they went for puting a ball and a chain on the ankle of Ukraine, that’s what this is about. Probably mix in a bit of delusional nationalistic grandeur on Putin’s part of wanting to have a “legacy”, and a bit of paranoia, and what not.
Acting like this 2022 invasion is what the people of Ukraine wanted is ridiculous.
Mycroft, what is a farce?
This implies nuclear war is an option on the table, definitely a bad call. Additionally, wouldn’t this mean the US has ample security? Based on their routine war crimes I’d think the opposite. Their weaponry does however ensure worldwide chaos, especially if a country wants to drop the dollar or has natural resources to exploit.
It is under certain conditions
Absolutely. No one would realistically think about an attack on American soil, just like with any other nuclear power.
How so? USA terrorising the rest of the world does not contradict my initial statement.
So thats it, got nukes and you’ll get space, otherwise bend over as the US is coming for all your shit? Maybe its the insane spending on weaponry which allows the US to run a muck overseas destroying any shred of security in other country’s.
Your statement permits terrorism, weapons equaling security is just downstream lockheed martin & friends propaganda. Where as security by definition means being free from danger or threat. Russian and US both possessing nukes derails any global security and more so in those two country’s, no?
I did’t claim nuclear weapons being a solution for world peace. It is just that in the current state of the world, Russia would be the least to need “security guarantees” because no one would attack them anyway. You, however, make it appear I suggest to arm up anyone. But whatever, just keep twisting my words to fit your narrative ✌️
The article is about peace, granted world peace is a long way off but you eat an elephant one bite at a time, starting by ending current wars. Stating nukes equal security is what I don’t agree with at all and I was just trying to expand on your stance. All in all, it is not a logical approach at all to say if a country has nukes they can’t ask for some assurance they won’t be neede 🤷♂️
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Bridge_explosion
Oh no, Ukraine attacked infrastructure outside of Russia that is being used to attack Ukraine. I mean, I guess that Putin’s pride is wounded a little.
The Crimean bridge between Russia and Russian Crimea is outside of Russia?
The previous poster said no one would attack Russia. Which is untrue.
When y’all sign up, do they make you use your own account? Are you paid by the day or by the comment? It’s by the comment, right? You’ve got a whole Dickens thing going on.
What is this Russian Crimea that you speak of?
They’ve done it before.
Nuclear weapons didn’t protect the USSR from Glasnost.
Was it a sufficient guarantee for the US when missiles came to Cuba?