The idea that its downfall into fascism would not have knock-on effects around the world, and that all the ‘good’ people could escape it to greener pastures, is very shortsighted and more than a little naive. It was not destiny that Germany became fascistic, Hitler didn’t even win the popular vote. The knock on effects of the fascists being allowed to win was absolutely devastating the world over. Why would the US becoming full blown fascist be any different?
Oh I don’t believe there are good people around, but I also don’t believe anyone will actually escape to “greener pastures.” I’m not that naive. I know the only real solution to our dilemma is total nuclear annihilation of all mankind. And that is the best possible outcome we can hope for - I just don’t get why we are dragging out this charade of torturing ourselves and each other.
What would be the practical way to counter a situation where the people actually vote for someone like fascists in a free election? I mean, if you employ the most obvious tool in our species’s toolbox – violence – you will end up with some other sort of catastrophe afaik every single time.
Peaceful protests obviously won’t work against real fascists: they’ll just murder or imprison you.
I suppose governments need to be always vigilant against creating circumstances that make people see fascism as the only way forward, but we’re probably way beyond that working anymore.
violence – you will end up with some other sort of catastrophe afaik every single time.
That sort’ve depends. The Black Army of Ukraine, had they not been betrayed by the communists, probably would’ve resulted in a positive outcome had they been militarily victorious. The same could be said for The Spanish Civil war. And in current times, Rojava is fighting for its right to exist through military means as well, and is managing to hold out thanks to its enemy not being able to completely steamroll them logistically. It is a very risky proposition, in general, since there are usually other elements vying for control, which can end badly (USSR, China, North Korea).
Against overwhelming odds, the best one can do is go underground and attempt sabotage if possible, or escape to safer countries.
The idea that its downfall into fascism would not have knock-on effects around the world, and that all the ‘good’ people could escape it to greener pastures, is very shortsighted and more than a little naive. It was not destiny that Germany became fascistic, Hitler didn’t even win the popular vote. The knock on effects of the fascists being allowed to win was absolutely devastating the world over. Why would the US becoming full blown fascist be any different?
Oh I don’t believe there are good people around, but I also don’t believe anyone will actually escape to “greener pastures.” I’m not that naive. I know the only real solution to our dilemma is total nuclear annihilation of all mankind. And that is the best possible outcome we can hope for - I just don’t get why we are dragging out this charade of torturing ourselves and each other.
What would be the practical way to counter a situation where the people actually vote for someone like fascists in a free election? I mean, if you employ the most obvious tool in our species’s toolbox – violence – you will end up with some other sort of catastrophe afaik every single time.
Peaceful protests obviously won’t work against real fascists: they’ll just murder or imprison you.
I suppose governments need to be always vigilant against creating circumstances that make people see fascism as the only way forward, but we’re probably way beyond that working anymore.
That sort’ve depends. The Black Army of Ukraine, had they not been betrayed by the communists, probably would’ve resulted in a positive outcome had they been militarily victorious. The same could be said for The Spanish Civil war. And in current times, Rojava is fighting for its right to exist through military means as well, and is managing to hold out thanks to its enemy not being able to completely steamroll them logistically. It is a very risky proposition, in general, since there are usually other elements vying for control, which can end badly (USSR, China, North Korea).
Against overwhelming odds, the best one can do is go underground and attempt sabotage if possible, or escape to safer countries.