• bramblepatchmystery
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    4 months ago

    Which specific Jews are not Zionists? Zionism is generally defined as the belief that Jews have a right to self government and a return to their ancestral homeland.

    Most Jews, as well as most Americans and most everybody outside of terrorist shitholes and Russia agrees with the basic concepts of Zionism to some degree of another.

    We can talk about getting a more left wing government in Israel and trying Netanyahu for warcrimes, but wanting Jews gone from their homeland is an absolute non starter.

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      I know plenty of antizionist Jewish people. Some of them would be comfortable living in what is now Israel as a homeland IF it wasn’t a settler colonialist apartheid state and was some sort of pluralistic democratic society.

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        The land can, has and will support a multitude of people for thousands of years.

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          It can and should, and it did before the colonists. Modern Zionism (and probably Zionism always) is their exclusive control over it. Their magic book tells them how evil their neighbors are and encourages them killing them. I don’t think most Jews follow that crap, but the fact that Zionists want to remove anyone else and that’s in there doesn’t help them.

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      Hi, I’m an anti-zionist Jew and absolutely fuck Israel! Zionism is bad for everyone, including us. It conflates our religion with a genocidal ideology that rightfully terrifies the rest of the world, which then makes the world think they hate Jews (because they keep hearing “Judaism=Israel”). Despite what Zionist Jews may say, ending Zionism will help us, not hurt us.

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        The rest of the world isn’t terrified of Israel or considers Zionism itself to be genocidal.

        Take a break from tiktok.

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          Who do you include in the rest of the world? Based on your other comment, I get the impression you understand Zionism to mean something very different from what it’s historically been.

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            4 months ago

            Well, let’s simplify it.

            Which specific countries are you suggesting are terrified of Israel?

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        Yes, because the Nazis were the ones who called for more left wing governments.

        I’m glad the tankies have finally taken their masks off, it’s just a shame it had to be over this, the very thing we said it would be.