• dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    You know, every time this topic comes up I just sit back and remember how well appeasement worked last time. You remember, with that toothbrush mustache guy? Boy, I’m sure glad capitulating led to nothing happening after that!

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        18 days ago

        Good thing Ukraine isn’t Russia, then, and that the war is happening in Ukraine. Afghanistan, ahoy!

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          17 days ago

          Ukraine isn’t mountainous terrain that’s hard to navigate both on foot and with even modern aircraft. It isn’t a subsistence economy that has been at war for a thousand years. It isn’t home to people who made a life raiding into India for women and livestock, fierce mountain vikings, even before becoming the graveyard of empire as they cut their teeth on three world powers in a row, getting stronger with each they drove out, generation by generation. These are farmers and programmers and project managers, who are dying in trenches on a flat field as surely as the Flemmish before Germans in WWI, and yes, the line can hold forever, but it takes X lives every day to make that happen, and there’s no endgame where Russia gives in, because it needs the fresh water from the non-Crimea shit to hold Crimea, which has no rivers, and their whole Black Sea naval operation is out of there, and they’re not going to cede the whole Black Sea.

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            17 days ago

            Ukraine isn’t mountainous terrain that’s hard to navigate both on foot and with even modern aircraft. It isn’t a subsistence economy that has been at war for a thousand years. It isn’t home to people who made a life raiding into India for women and livestock, fierce mountain vikings, even before becoming the graveyard of empire as they cut their teeth on three world powers in a row, getting stronger with each they drove out, generation by generation. These are farmers and programmers and project managers, who are dying in trenches on a flat field as surely as the Flemmish before Germans in WWI, and yes, the line can hold forever, but it takes X lives every day to make that happen, and there’s no endgame where Russia gives in, because it needs the fresh water from the non-Crimea shit to hold Crimea, which has no rivers, and their whole Black Sea naval operation is out of there, and they’re not going to cede the whole Black Sea.

            What absolutely bizarre hagiography.

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              17 days ago

              The funniest thing about you neolibs is the casual islamophobia from the DEI set… not even islamophobia here, I suppose, since they were Buddhists for half the history above… anti-Pashtun accomplishment? Afghanistan is literally known as the graveyard of empire for good reason. You can’t point to them as equivalent to Ukraine, a very post-industrial country, with no specific multi-generational warrior culture, on a flat plain where the primary obstacle for oncoming tanks is mud. The Russians will not be caught in Ukraine forever, they’ll gain mile by mile until we negotiate a worse peace than we could have had a 100,000+ dead ago.

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                  17 days ago

                  I don’t think it’s hard to understand that people who have been raised for generations with the constant presence of war and weapons from a subsistence economy would be better at doing endless war than IT consultants used to having iPhones and electricity, but I guess I’m wrong? Also, do you not get how mountains work?

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        17 days ago

        Yeah I’m sure the West is planning a massive land invasion of Russia in the middle of winter, you figured it out.