• Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
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    Below the results, on the page:

    These data are based on perceptions of visitors of this website in the past 5 years.

    If the value is 0, it means it is perceived as very low, and if the value is 100, it means it is perceived as very high.

    Our data for each country are based on all entries from all cities in that country.

    I do not see anything indicating that those are only for the *safety" category - it seems like " safety" is intended as an aggregate of the above opinions.

    Either way, without any information on how these numbers are collected and how exactly the bars are to be interpreted, I HAVE to assume it’s a collection of opinions.

    Edit: assumptions cleared up. Clicking the information button on the page confirms it’s a survey result, and not based on reported incidents.

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      10 days ago

      Thanks for digging, so it’s probably objectively skewed but subjectively correct.

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        10 days ago

        No problem on the digging.

        Define what exactly you mean.

        Are you saying that it’s subjectively correct in that it’s reporting a subjective belief, and thus tautologically correct? Or are you saying that if people feel crime must be higher, crime must be higher? One of these I’m okay with, the other not hah.

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          10 days ago

          Hm, it also depends on the need to fill out a survey. Usually, I assume, if everything is alright, people would be less inclined to fill out a survey than when they feel the impulse to vocalize their needs. So when things do not run well, I assume one would get more negative reviews. This also skews statistics…

          Nevertheless it seems to me people feel less safe and thus are inclined to voice this, which results in a more negative outcome. So, yes, I assume things feel worse, backed by the survey results and the need to attend a survey at all.

          If the feeling is detached from the objective statistics is a more difficult question because also how crime statistics are created. For example the situation of no justicial force at all, therefore no one there to handle crime situations and reports, therefore officially no crime, because none can be and none have been measured.

          And like I said in another post, if society feels unsafe this is probably equally bad or even worse than the actual crime levels. A terrified society with no actual crimes is more disfunctional than a society which is wholesome and happy but everyday some people get robbed or stabbed. In the latter case society still “works” and is functional, in the former everything gets “tainted” with serious effects on mental health, expenses and productivity, alongside with social interactions and the overall feeling of cohesion.

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            10 days ago

            The simplest explanation for society feeling more unsafe despite objectively being safer now than any other time period is information. Throughout humanitys development, we basically only knew of the bad things that happened in our little slices of the world. Our village, maybe a community in a city, maybe your nation going to war.

            You don’t see all the other daily violence. Three villages over? Murder. The other way? Rape. But to you, they don’t exist, and so you don’t feel more unsafe.

            Compare to today. We know exactly how many people are victimized daily. We are all of the wars, all of the killings. Of COURSE the world feels more dangerous now than it ever has. This is why we HAVE statistics. Feelings aren’t a good metric for reality. We don’t need more policing because we feel less safe. We need to critically examine why we actually feel unsafe.

            Feeling unsafe is definitely not worse than being unsafe. I’m not going to go down that route, it’s frankly asinine. I would, every time, take a situation where I feel unsafe but am, in fact, perfectly okay, compared to living in some kind of blissful ignorance with a gun to my head.

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      10 days ago

      https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/ocindex-2023/

      This study from 2023 states:

      Global context As already outlined, one of the main findings of the Index is that levels of criminality are increasing worldwide, while resilience measures are falling short of meeting the threat. That critical gap, between growing levels of global criminality and the sustainable policy and civil society measures needed to address it, is widening. This deficit can be better understood when analyzed against the backdrop of a more fragmented and unstable global order."

      They also offer a 246 page PDF detailing their findings.

      More on the issuer on Wikipedia.

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        So, I don’t want to be accused of moving goal posts. That’s not my intention here in the slightest.

        This article and organization specifically look at organized crime - things like terrorist cells, cartels, mafia, etc. - no doubt a big concern, but also not the bulk of the crime that happens. That number going up isn’t a good thing, but it’s also entirely possible for that number to be going up for one reason, while the general crime levels are going down, faster, for other reasons.

        https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/us-crime-rates-and-trends-analysis-fbi-crime-statistics

        Looking at this article (first thing I found searching ‘violent crimes trend over years’) we can see a much different picture thatln we’d expect looking just at organized crime. The trend is MARKEDLY down from 1990 to today. The only period there even shows an increase, really, was during that little global pandemic we had.

        THIS is the number that matters when someone says that the world is objectively safer today than it was in any other period of history. That, per 100k people, the number of them having violent things done to them is going down, steadily, and regularly.