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    Now i get random ban, even if i have legitimate use.

    I just comment around, nice word. Reddit AI decided that i am spamming.

    Trip the spam filter once in 2 day.

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    I just got a warning and [removed by reddit] because I told a dry cut story about turkish coworkers of mine harassing women and queer people and talking about stuff like “buying wifes” from their home country as an answer to someone posting a similar story. I got warned for “promoting hate and violence against marginalized groups”. I made no generelizations, promoted no violence or hate. I actually got upset because of my coworkers doing exactly that. This is not the internet as I know it. Where you get censored because you talked about something that happened in your life.

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      As a Turkish person, ooph. Sorry you had to deal with that.

      We’ve got some nice coming from Turkey, but also a bunch of shit heels. These days the latter outnumber the former, sadly.

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        These days the latter outnumber the former, sadly.

        It feels like that lately no matter where you happen to live.

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        Every country has some shit people. It’s inevitable. Just gotta hope us good ones make it better.

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        One of the nicest people I know is Turkish. We’ve never met in person, but we’ve been online friends for over 20 years. I wish people who stereotyped Turks when people act like this knew him.

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      It’s been like that ever since China/Tencent invested. I noticed soon after that investment there was a huge degradation in freedom of speech on the platform.

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      Because there is no discernable difference between you telling an honest story about your Turkish coworkers and a racist using online anonymity to rile people up against minorities.

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        I think that should be decided by the readers of the comment not by reddit. Unless I actually incite hate or violence. Or maybe if I had a history of leaving comments like that. But it was the first time I talked about it. Or if my account was new or a bot. I don’t like to assume the worst about people just because they criticise something adjacent to a controversial topic. That’s how problems get swept under the rug and never solved.

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          Except if you leave it solely to the readers of the comment, the communications platform is still flooded by racists and bigots of all stripes. Sure, a lot of their comments are downvoted, but by giving them a platform you’re giving them a way to degrade the quality of the platform they’re on, drive away reasonable users and eventually take over and shit up the place unrestricted. Just like the nazi bar story.

          Downvotes are nowhere near as effective as moderation when it comes to keeping hate off of a platform. Sorry if you posted something in good faith and moderation censored you, but that doesn’t make moderation as a concept wrong.

          (Also, I kind of agree with you that there should be more signals available to moderators than just “does this comment mention race negatively”. However, I’m not sure you want reddit scoring what kind of person you are and attaching that score to every moderation action.)

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            Yes and FURTHERMORE, POE’S LAW EXISTS

            and it’s NOT actually “just” about parody - it’s all too often impossible to tell honest anecdote apart from ideological rhetoric.

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              How would you solve problems pertaining to immigration when you can’t talk about experiences. There is actually a large problem of parallel societies in germany that has been rampant for decades because no one wants to talk about it. I mean like people doing what I talked about in my comments or not learning the countrys language in decades and having no contact to native germans. I my comment I was actually talking about people who were born here and their familys lived here for generations. In western europe in general it’s driving people to the extreme right, because no one dares talk about it in a normal and legitimate way. Censorship only makes these problems worse. There needs to be a way to talk about this topic with some nuance, not just blatant hate rhetoric.

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              Poe’s law doesn’t mean ban anything that’s edging a bit close to what you think it is. It’s like arresting people for a crime they didn’t commit but because they act suspiciously according to the eye of the authority.

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            I don’t think Moderation as a concept is wrong. I also filed an appeal, so i’ll see what they say after taking a closer look. But I sense a huge problem of people not being able to understand any nuances in this topic. So they just leave the whole thing for the extreme right as their talking point.

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            The nazi bar story is retarded. To buy into it is to forfeit all your advantages against the obnoxious minority, such as being vastly greater in number, and being able to exercise critical thinking abilities. The nazi doesn’t drive anyone away, people make the choice to do so themselves, when in fact they should challenge and confront at every opportunity. All the idea does is empower bad actors and agents provocateur and deny the agency of individuals. To borrow from Nicholas Taleb: it’s a very fragile concept.

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          Thank you for being reasonable and understanding how life isn’t black and white.

          gets banned for using black and white

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        Well not if you strip it from all context and the nuance of OPs specific word choice.

        Because I could tell a story about my Turkish co-worker that ends like:

        “my co-worker of specific race is doing dodgy shit and it’s so harmful for the whole community that he’s doing this, especially with how much anti-ethnic group hate is going around, he’s giving everyone a bad name and I’m worried his behaviour as an individual aashole who happens to be race is going to start a spree of hate crimes against others who aren’t doing anything wrong, because most people aren’t, my co-worker is”

        And I would argue that this story is fundamentally different from just leaving it as “my Turkish co-worker is doing dodgy stuff”.

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      nearly a decade

      It was the god damn 2016 election, wasn’t it? That’s the period when I noticed the rapid decline.

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        For me, it became undeniable after the gamestop fiasco. I used to sub to wallstreetbets way back before all that. It was one of the last genuinely funny places on the internet. I’m lucky, i got in on those shares at £45 and sold at roughly somewhere round about £420.69.

        After the day the price shot up to that, the place was just flooded with bots trying to get anyone to spend their money in any place but gamestop. You even had some mugs trying to short silver which, for anyone not in the know, you’d need about all the money in the world to do that.

        But yeah, now, everything going on there is going to be ultra analysed by every fund in the world. Oh, they also fired all the admins and replaced them just before the flood gates opened.

        I think its then that people saw the potential for flooding reddit with bots and shills.

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          I remember there was an alt right leaning silver collecting sub shortly after. They were convinced it was going to shoot up a billion times in value. Like Gamestop was supposed.

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            I think you’re right. Sadly, none of them have any idea how ultra manipulated the price of things like gold and silver are.

            I mean, it has appreciated in value since then but if you caught it wrong, with a load of futures, expecting it to “shoot to the moon”, you’ll lose everything which was the plan. It was literally firms and funds trying to cover the losses they made on gamestop.

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        I think it was before that.

        Reddit is commercials disguised as content. Political parties use ads/commercials to spread their message. 2016 I think was annoying and helped people to see it for what it is.

        Like that one video of the girl jumping onto a trampoline. She drops down on it, comes up and when she comes up there’s an energy drink in the bottom corner facing the camera. Looks like a natural video but it’s a paid commercial that also didn’t pay reddit and therefore we all watched many commercials for free without the company paying for any server time, bug fixes or

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    Well, I missed Reddit until the mid 2000 teens, but I remember when the entire internet around 2000 was The Wild West. And I miss it, very much.

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      The internet was so much better before the advertisement industry jerkoffs figured out how to access it. May they all drown in a cesspool of their own waste for eternity.

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      It was great before the dot com bubble burst. Even obscure fan websites had paid advertising. Even for a while after, is was great and still usable mostly because corporations hadn’t yet figured out how to completely monetize the internet.

      Message boards and forums were the extent of online engagement. I miss it.

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        I can’t stand people who use Discord as a support platform… Absolutely nothing comes up in internet searches, and then you have to try to find an old discussion, or ask the same question as 50 other people. It’s dumb.

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        You must be thinking of a different for com bubble, like OG was like 1995 to 2002. 2002 including the bubble bursting. Gems include the amazing sale of broadcast.com to Yahoo for $5 billion! Like 10k per user of broadcast.com! In 2002 even companies like Cisco lost well over half their stock value and a ton of online seller website disappeared.

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    I miss it. I came over right after Digg died, almost half a decade before 2010. Thought it was the ugliest site I had ever seen and found it super confusing.

    People did largely speak their minds though, lots of controversial posts and uncensored humor, yeah it was nice, but the change in Reddit really mirrors general cultural changes too, it was more driven by Gen X and older millennials, more tech driven, and more what people would call edgy.

    It was the wild west not so much because Reddit specifically was, but because that’s what broad tech bro Internet culture was. We also had relatively unmoderated Xbox Live and online gaming and other things that are hard to explain to folks now.

    What we would call social media existed, Digg called it Social Bookmarking for a Digg / Reddit / Slashdot model. Myspace was just giving away to Facebook, Twitter was getting off the ground, and chat rooms, like Yahoo chatrooms and Geocities were so unhinged back then.

    2005 is around the time that Yahoo started looking major ground to Google when just a few years prior it was the undisputed default search engine.

    Neat to think about all this again.

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    In Japan, we have to be careful because a company could sue for reputational damage (even if the claims are 100% true and provable). Same for some other examples like posting a pic of someone with his mistress or basically anything with their face.

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      Wow I see the Shogunate is still alive and well. Sounds like it’s still feudalism over there… And all the kids love Japan and want to live there… Propaganda is a hell of a drug!

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              I think that combines another issue here (or two, one being cultural rather than legal, but that’s a whole other can o’ worms). Papers will report on certain things, but I don’t know where the line in. Some tabloids will report all kinds of shit and eat the cost of any judgement if it happens.

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            That’s not actually what it’s designed to do and whistle-blowing has a process that isn’t “run directly to the press”.

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    Even in 2010 the front page was a shitshow. The smaller communities are generally their own thing but i’d say reddit often did more harm than good.

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    I got permabanned instantly from r/mildlyinfuriating because an idiot mod read the word “criminal” as “black person” and assumed I am racist.

    That shit hole can die in a fire. Mirror their content over here(it isn’t theirs) and let them bleed out.

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      I got permabanned for stating that if Jesus Christ came back today, Republicans would have him crucified, like the Pharisees.

      To clarify, I know some Christians blame “The Jooz” for killing Jesus. But I was implying Republicans were like Pharisees in that they worshiped money, and that Jesus had fucked with the money, mainly in the temple. It’s in the fucking Bible, the only learnin’ they claim anyone needs. Except when they don’t like what it says.

      Any intelligent person should know what I was saying. Jesus = sharing wealth, Republicans/Pharisees = not sharing wealth. Not “That dude hates Jews!” Which I don’t.

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        Literally no way for me to tell and no path to fixing it. Even 10sec of viewing my post history on there would have revealed I was in no way using it as a dog whistle or the like. It was the most absurd thing ever.

        Had another on r/whitepeopletwitter. I just pointed out a statistic, got permabanned. I replied asking what rule I broke, because I legitimately could not tell. They reply was “what did you intend with that comment” (I intended to inform, and was in line with what was being said, literally nothing else) and I asked “I was banned for you assuming I had ill intent that I can’t even figure out how you got there? Ok, what rule does that break?”. I then got a reply that said "you are muted from contacting this mod for three days, any further contact will be reported as harassment…

        It is absurd and not worth the effort. That site is so poorly run. No mod oversight once a community gets big…you get the same punks with an agenda and power trip.

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    I think that I started using Reddit around 2014~5 or so. For me the cultural shift shows two things:

    1. Any online community financed by adbux will eventually prioritise advertisers over its own participants.
    2. Unless you have tools ensuring transparency of the process, people with power over the others’ speech will misuse it to defend their individual interests, instead of the community’s.
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    I was on here and called out a billionaire that fucked over me and my company because they didn’t want to pay what they owed. I named, I shamed, and assholes on here defended the billionaire.

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    I came to Lemmy to get away from Reddit, not to reminisce about how good it used to be.