Hello PCMR community!
On July 13th, we asked the community for your opinion if you would like to change the name of this community.
Results of the Survey :
- Yes - 28.1%
- No - 71.9% (winner)
Of the 1,201 responses received, we as a community have democratically decided that we should not change the name from PC Master Race. I am grateful to our community for your input, as this was a difficult topic to navigate together.
If you would like to review the history of this, please check out this post here: https://lemmy.world/post/1430610
We’ll pin this post for some time and then consider adding a bullet into the sidebar for this Community to help stave off further discussions around this topic as the community has already decided collectively.
Kind regards,
The Moderator Team
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EDIT 30-Aug-2023:
Due to some of the recent targeted attacks against Lemmy.world, I noticed that the image I shared with this post was purged from their servers.
Here’s a new screenshot of the results for posterity: https://i.postimg.cc/jqNg5gWx/pcmrsurvey.png
Fun fact:
The term “master race” stands for a concept, thought of before Nazis were a thing in the 18th century by french nobility:
Same shit, different people, but I guess French people are Nazis now, too /s
Lmao did you really just “welllll ackshually 🤓” someone on the term master race? You go ahead keep telling yourself “master race” isn’t associated with Nazis dude
Well, actually it’s one of my dirty hobbies, though normally on other topics that are more fun
Please refer to my other answer for clarification https://lemmy.world/comment/2710158
Of course I accept when some people think, that some words can not be reclaimed (some of them can’t), but I hope those people can accept, that other people don’t necessarily share that view without them inherently being Nazis.
I don’t mean “master race” is reclaimable in normal lingo, it is a shitty concept in itself, but the way the term PCMR was originally intended (as a sarcastic poke at the superiority complex of PC gamers) is acceptable use in my opinion, because it goes against the original meaning of a superior race and makes fun of it.
Not meaning you especially, but in general I think completely ignoring context is a bad way to lay fundament to your argumentation and it doesn’t help when some people automatically pull the Nazi accusations out of nowhere (exaggerated example: “you eat meat? You are just as bad as the Nazis, they also took many lives”) like it happens on social media every day. The only thing that gets accomplished with this kind of argument is inciting a trench war between these people and removing any chance of finding a common denominator or another solution that could satisfy both sides.
I don’t think all PCMR members are Nazis or right-wing ideologists by the name PCMR alone and I hope the vast majority doesn’t take that supposed superiority seriously, which would be sad indeed.
Swastikas were also not invented by Nazis and are also still used in other cultures as a sun symbol. Doesn’t mean that is isn’t associated with Nazis in our culture today
I agree with you. My point was, that Nazis adopted many concepts that were crappy before (like race theory) or took existing things and twisted them for their malicious purposes. I didn’t deny the association, but context matters in my opinion.
Look at South Park for example, like the “pyjama day” episode. They make fun of Nazi ideology all the time, sometimes subtle, sometimes very obvious. You can’t just watch the episode, see a reference to Nazism (the uniform, the lingo, etc.) and inherently call them Nazis for using it, when they clearly use it to make fun of it.
I personally see the term PCMR the way the original inventor of the phrase intended: as a way to make fun of the superiority complex that PC gamers often develop.
In Germany we have a term for someone getting a preferred treatment “Sonderbehandlung”. It was used by the Nazis as a euphemism for mass murder. Today the term only means that someone, for example at work gets a raise despite not contributing to the project as much as all other people did or someone getting a rebate on something, just because he knows the cashier. The term is common in normal German lingo and no one uses it as a way to tell that someone should be eliminated.
I understand people from outside the German culture might get upset about the usage of those words, but in my experience most of them didn’t really take into account in which context they are used today. If I ask a hundred people on the street today, where Sonderbehandlung came from, my guess is almost no one knows their previous ties anymore, which I see as yet another thing we took away from the influence of Nazis.
If people blindly want to ban everything that had at one time in history contact with Nazi ideology, you’ll be surprised what you can’t do anymore: drive cars, nuclear power, use thermos flasks, anti-ship missiles, radar, engines in general and many things more. Should we really give that much power to those assholes to hold our technology, culture and language hostage? Don’t get me wrong, I condemn right-wing theories and ideologies, as well as extremism and I don’t want to give Nazis any leeway either.
I sometimes get the feeling people just read a Vice article headline and march on to the internet to start an ideological war against whatever the article mentioned, without really investing time to check the context, if it has eventually been reclaimed and so on. Also every argument seems to start the same way: “GUESS YOU ARE A NAZI THEN!!!111!1”. Not a good way to start a discourse.
I hope I could bring my viewpoint across in a matter that it is understandable and not too erratic 😅