Yup, boarder towns in red states are going to start stopping women as they travel through their towns to make sure they aren’t pregnant.
Lol just remember that all people that vote Republican support this.
“Under His Eye.”
May the Lord open. 🤮
most republican voters don’t even know what tf they’re supporting through their votes, other than their personal trigger issue. they just vote for the R.
That’s not even close to a valid excuse.
It’s not, you’re right, but it’s how it is for them.
most republican voters don’t even know what tf they’re supporting through their votes, other than their personal trigger issue. they just vote for the R.
You are so depressingly right. My father is very pro-choice, but once Trump happened, he stopped giving a shit about anything other than getting Trump back in office and/or making sure no Democrats are elected ever again. He has no idea what is actually going on other than what fox and Newsmax tell him, and he doesn’t care.
He’s the only family I have, and to see him like this now has just destroyed a part of me.
I lost my mother. She was always an idiot when it came to politics, but my step-father was progressive and toned her down a lot. He died and she married a reactionary and now she’s a die-hard Trumper alternative-facts maniac. I hardly talk to her any more - I hope it was worth it for her.
Me too. I love my father, he is an amazing dad and always helped me when I needed anything, anything at all.
But the last few years every single conversation ends up in politics. He just talks about how Trump is the most amazing thing that ever happened to the states, and that he waits for him to get back into the office once again because he was the best president ever.
If I tried to object he would yell at me for being wrong, so nowadays I just silently stare at him until the subject changes.
Sad to say, but that’s exactly how fascism succeeds. Ordinary Germans didn’t necessarily know or care what the Nazis were doing, but they were creating jobs and igniting patriotic passion in society, and that was all many cared to know.
That’s why regular people were forced to walk through liberated camps to witness what their tacit support had wrought, and why the allies recorded it so we could witness it now. Because fascism doesn’t succeed chiefly by the actions of fascists, but through the inaction of the barely engaged masses.
“I took your rights away through intentional ignorance, not malice.”
Well, it does not sound good no matter how you put it.
That’s no excuse.
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Of course. Anything else would be Big Government Overreach.
Remember
kidsadults dangerously close to popping out unwanted kids, Don’t talk to the policeYou ain’t gotta tell them where you’re going, what you’re doing, or why you’re there. You get pulled over, hand them what they ask for and keep your mouth shut
Don’t talk to the police
This applies to EVERYONE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
Every day is shut the fuck up friday.
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“I decline to answer any questions without an attorney present.”
“I do not consent to any search.”
Tattoo those sentences on the inside of your eyelids.
The “hand them what they ask for” is important in Texas. It used to be legal to refuse to present ID unless you were being detained. As of the 1st, that’s now a crime.
Woah seriously?
The “papers please” phrase has been a hyperbolic meme as the prime example of fascism, and Texas just put that into law?!
How is this not a fourth amendment violation?
Multiple states now have a mandatory ID law where if police stop you you must provide identification (technically the police need to have a reasonable suspicion you may have committed a crime, but that’s a super low bar to pass). You don’t necessarily have to have an ID on you, but you do have to provide your name, address, and maybe DOB depending on the state. Of course in the case of a traffic stop you obviously need a driver’s license.
To quote supreme court Justice alito “there is no 4th in regards to drugs”. So yeah just claim it is to stop drug trafficking and then fir what ever else you want.
This applies if you’re driving and get pulled over. You’re not required to show an ID in other situations. If you’re arrested, you must give your name, residence, and date of birth. If you’re detained, you are not required to give information, but you can’t give false information.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/PE/htm/PE.38.htm (see 38.02)
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It is crazy that you need to think like a criminal or a corporate espionage target, but…
Consider backing your phone up and then wiping it. Some business folks do this to avoid having sensitive information on devices they must hand over to the TSA. https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/how-can-i-wipe-and-restore-tablets-and-phones-for-travel/
And ffs, leave it at home or put it in a faraday bag (<$20 on Amazon), because phones track where you go, and the government will absolutely use that against you.
Remember kids adults dangerously close to popping out unwanted kids, Don’t talk to the police
This.
Don’t be friendly. You didn’t just come from a friend’s house. Because for all you know, the cops may have been staking out his house, and if there’s actually any illegal activity going on there, you just implicated yourself as being a part of it or at the very least a customer, whether or not you were actually there to engage in illegal activity or actually just visiting a friend.
Whatever that smell is, you don’t smell anything. I don’t care if it’s a funky air freshener or you’re carrying a truckload of weed. You didn’t smell anything and you’ve never so much as smoked a joint in your life. Saying “The last time I smoked was…” is admittance that you use controlled substances and in some cases could give the cop reason to believe that you’re still under the influence.
No, you don’t know exactly how fast you were going because you’re paying attention to the road, not the speedometer. You were just going with the flow of traffic.
I don’t care if you were supposed to be there half an hour ago. You’re not late for anything. Asking the cop to hurry or whatever because you’re late is just going to get him to intentionally take longer either just to make your life miserable or in hopes that you’ll become frustrated and start saying things you wouldn’t normally say so he can get more info out of you.
And I fucking hate Hate HATE the “ask if you’re being detained. Ask if you’re free to go” advice. All this does is antagonize the cop. All it does is make them believe that you’re nervous about something, and they’re going to want to know why. And if you start off the conversation being adversarial like that, the cop is much more likely to try to make your life as miserable as possible. Watch an episode of COPS. When most people try this line of defense, they often do so in the most unnatural way possible, acting as if they’re still in the process of memorizing a script. It just gives off the impression that you have something to hide. The only time you should ask “am I free to go” is after the cop already gave you your documents back and you’re just clarifying whether or not he’s done yet. The only time you should say things like this are when they are a direct response to a cop’s question or actions where that kind of response would be appropriate. But randomly blurting out “Am I free to go? Am I being detained? I do not consent to this!” or other lines at random just pisses the cop off and gives them the idea that you’ve got something to hide. So what do you say instead of that? FUCKING NOTHING.
If it’s truly just a routine traffic stop, give them the documents, say nothing, take the citation or whatever, and be on your way. Take the rest of it up with the judge. The only time you should be saying anything at all, is if it’s absolutely necessary and if it looks like it’s going to go beyond just a routine stop.
I’ve seen too many people either try to be overly friendly, believing that if they’re forthcoming the cop will work with them, or just argumentative and turning what would have been a routine citation into an arrest because they either admitted to actual crimes they committed in the process or got a little too argumentative with the cop and ending up in cuffs and facing an obstruction charge.
“Excuse me ma’am, I’m going to need to see your uterus before you can leave Texas”
“Blessed Be the Fruit.”
“Ma’am please exit the vehicle and get on the mobile gyno exam bed. I’m also going to need your license, registration and a detailed lifetime sexual history. This is all very routine and for your safety I assure you.”
That has to violate the 4th Amendment.
From The Bill of Rights:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
You can’t just assume any & all pregnant women are going to get an abortion, so that’s not probable cause.
as if these lunatics care for the constitution and its rights, unless it benefits them.
Nah, they never gave a shit about the Constitution. It’s just like the Bible for them, they can tell their voters it says whatever they want it to and they know damn well none of them have ever read it and never will.
And the bible means whatever they want it to mean. They make whatever argument will support their position of power, credible or not.
They haven’t even gone to the trouble of making a version of the Bible that supports their worldview.
That’s not true! Every time a room full of 6 years gets shot up they read half of the second amendment! They never read the rest but go fuck yourself if you’re going to stop them from murdering rooms of children.
Just need an attorney that wants to stand agaisnt this. Every woman pulled over in these cities should call them up and he sues the city under the 4th ammendment.
They’ll all go broke pretty quick and their courts will be tied up permanently. Either the town will financially collapse or realise that the law is just to harrass people.
The people that would want to die over this are probably, sadly enough, the ones who cannot even afford to do so as they’d be financially ruined for the rest of their life just for the cost of a lawyer alone.
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I’d think the commerce clause would be the applicable one here.
Dormant commerce clause and right to travel.
These are the same cunts who want trump to be our dictator. What more need be said?
Unfortunately, there are already reports of police stopping women in cars on the highway to check if the women are pregnant and off to another state. The notion that a locality or state has the right to violate your privacy in order to veto your travel if it’s for purposes they don’t like seems impossible to square with the 4th Amendment or the Commerce Clause, but I guess that’s not stopping these people
How could a police officer legally determine if a woman in a car is going to get an abortion or is just travelling out of state? Women may not be showing when they get an abortion and from a vantage point outside of a car you can’t really tell if a woman is pregnant anyway. Plus they could just be pregnant and driving somewhere out of state. It seems like unreasonable search to stop every woman at the boarder and question them about where they are going. And on top of that why would a woman confess to going to get an abortion when stopped? Unless they had panflets and a confirmation printed out in plain view in the car it would be impossible to prove intent once a police officer pulls someone over. If they enforce this law I think there will be a lot of lawsuits about unreasonable and illegal stops by the police, and I think the women suing will win.
If they enforce this law I think there will be a lot of lawsuits about unreasonable and illegal stops by the police, and I think the women suing will win.
All good points. Unfortunately, this probably means they’ll stick to doing the unreasonable and illegal stops on people they think won’t be able to afford to bring lawsuits.
Also, questions of ‘is this actually legal?’ have a fine way of becoming moot when the it’s cops doing the lawbreaking and who polices the police, right? Especially in states with long history of good-old-boys justice networks
You’re correct, going to see a lot more old Civics and Malibus stopped for this, won’t often see a new Lexus or Acura being pulled over for a womb check.
Interesting point, in America the poor and minorities are always treated different. I think any lawyer who wanted to put together a big lawsuit could probably work probono for some but that’d be no guarantee.
You fail to understand what these laws are actually ment to do. These laws are to give the illusion of righteousness, but all they want to do is control women. They see women as objects and not human. A woman traveling alone, not on their watch. They give two shits about the baby they just want a brood sow to keep pumping out poor laborers and to be shackled to a man for ever.
I though about it some more and the lawmakers probably don’t even care about actually arresting people. The threat could be enough to deter some people. And on top of that if they make someone late to or miss an appointment, in the lawmakers mind they just “saved a life”. (I personally believe that life occurs at fetal viability and that abortions should be allowed before that point, and after that point should the mother’s health come into jeopardy.)
How could a police officer legally determine…
They shoot them and check the autopsy. Merica.
I have not heard of this but I imagine they just look for woman drivers by the border, pull them over for something fake, then ask them if they are trying to get an abortion, and if they said yes then the cop can collect the bounty.
It’s the “something fake” that is illegal and is the crux of the issue with the law. It’s almost unenforceable legally. If they pull over every woman and question them that would be blatantly discriminatory based on gender. If they pull over every person it would be a huge waste of time and resources. There is no way to determine if a woman is pregnant when she is seated in a moving car, and unless the doctors office she is going to is in sight of the boarder there is no way to legally determine where she is going.
How do you say freedom in fascist American?
$$$$
You fire a high-powered rifle into the air.
*at a school
*Into a school.
It’s weird isn’t it how everyone that’s “pro-life” is also “pro-gun” and “anti self-determination”. It’s almost as if their priorities are completely skewed.
Its almost as if its a naked show of power and threats with no larger concepts or thought behind it.
You can have all the freedom™ you want as long as you only do what I would do with all the freedom that I want.
*except when I have to go outside of the limit of freedom because a special case but it’s me so it’s ok.
Or you can have all the freedom you want as long as I get an ever increasing cut.
Freedom™ was a great book though. (sequel to Daemon)
I think they say “privilege”.
Nah, they won’t admit to privilege.
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Their donors to tell them to
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It’s so disheartening.
Democrats are pushing for it too, they’re just less likely than republicans to say the quiet part out loud.
Who’s says they aren’t taking it seriously? What do you want them to do?
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The last civil war was predicated by slave states sending squads north to round up any black people they find.
The next one might start because of states hunting down pregnant women outside their borders.
well that’s a type of freedom I’ve not heard of before
It’s all about States Rights.
…to oppress your freedom.
The Union should have scorched earthed the South and executed all of the leaders and ex-US military officers who defected to the CSA. Instead, you allowed them to live and fester like moldy spores. Now the contagion is fruiting again.
Doesn’t work. The only time scorched earth ever works is if you literally kill or displace every living person there. Otherwise, the survivors will hate you and will raise their children to hate you.
Well it sure as fuck doesn’t help if you not only fail to seriously punish rebel military leaders in any meaningful way, but also later allow people from a bunch of rebel states to erect monuments to rebel leaders and politicians, and otherwise glorify a defeated rebel government whose core reason for being was to enshrine the policy of enslaving people.
Yeah. The response to Germany and Japan post WW2 was ideal. Ban the symbols and idols of the past movement, but throw money at the population to help them rebuild.
Edit: and execute the leaders
Germany: yeah, pretty much.
Japan: …not really.
Seems to me they did that anyway.
That’s what I’m saying. The North waffled. They should have either gone full Marshall plan or full genocide. And note that I don’t think genocide was or is politically palatable.
That’s what happened when we gave traitors a free treason pass too, though. Seems to me the only choice is in how many traitors hate us.
It used to be an insult to mistakenly ask some woman of she’s pregnant.
Now pretending to be just fat will be an ultimate defense
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This also explains why cars collect our sexual data and genetic material
And now cops will have the excuse to sexually assault women driving and force them to take pee tests on the side of the road.
Or planting evidence?
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Females no longer exist? I don’t follow the joke stranger…
There was some drama on reddit or twitter because someone said “females” instead of “womens”… I think he refers to that
Ffs
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Freedom: Like it or not
The Republicans can see their power slipping as young people are becoming more aware and involved, and it seems as though they’ve gone into overdrive in an attempt to save their wretched ideology. Just about every day there’s at least one story about them taking things to the next level, and it’s gotten out of control.
Anyone who has seen the plan the Heritage Foundation laid out for replacing career experts in regulatory agencies and government offices with their own far right people in order to literally, in their own words, dismantle the administrative state, should be terrified.
They want autocracy, with them at the top. Forever. And now that it is getting more and more unlikely that could happen democratically, they’re taking matters into their own hands before it’s too late for them and their party dies.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO VOTE. READ THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION’S RECENTLY RELEASED PLAN, AND FUCKING VOTE.
Where can you find the Heritage Foundation’s plan? I’ve checked out their website but any mention of it seems buried.
Is there any way I could upload a file? I have it downloaded, but can’t find it on their website anymore.
They named it “Project 2025.” If you use that when you search, you should be able to find it. Weirdly, before I had that search term, I was also having trouble finding it. Makes my tinfoil hat tingle a little bit.
Doesn’t it, though? After all these eyes and articles on what they’re doing, it’s a little hard to find it now. Hmm…
Weirdly, I was having issues finding it searching on Google until I found a little bit and realized they called it "Project 2025”. If you search for that along with “heritage” you’ll find the plan itself, as well as discussion about it.
It’s very bad news.
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Guess you haven’t been following all the voter laws in red states.
Voting matters. Still a good idea to be prepared for when it’s too late for conversation too though.
If voting didn’t matter, the GOP wouldn’t be spending so much money and resources to disenfranchise voters in swing states.
Which only shows how mindfucked those people are. I mean, what will they do? Stop random cars with women inside, interrogating them and testing their blood for potential pregnancies?
probably that.
ir they will put out a bounty for anyone who reports that a women they know is planning to go out of state for an abortion.
Yep. Totalitarian regimes have always loved the snitches principle. Nazi Germany, the Eastern Block, China…
Some of those lunatics seem to think people are aborting pregnancies right up to the ninth month. That you might be able to see without having them pee on a test. But then what? Jail them until the baby is born? Refuse travel? Ah, American freedom is the most free of all freedoms.
Driving While Pregnant. Never thought I’d see the day.
doesn’t this violate freedom of travel…
Just travel with a gun in your car, then you win all the freedom in america
…and probably the 4th amendment and commerce clause.
