Bit of a simple question: Some people on lemmy are still posting stuff from youtube, xitter and the like.
Have you gone full fediverse yet or how far are you?
- traded reddit for lemmy/kbin
- xitter for mastodon
- discord for matrix
- youtube for peertube
Obviously I also mean other alternatives. Which ones do you use and why?
Disclaimer: this question is me asking genuinely but also trying to make it fun by arbitrary ranking/escalating it. Not trying to say one is better than the others.
I dumped Twitter in the first wave after Elon took over and found a new home on Mastodon. Deleted my Reddit accounts during the API crisis (I still visit but no longer contribute) and spend some time on Lemmy (haven’t yet found the community to be as engaging). Sadly there isn’t a viable alternative for YouTube yet.
And, honestly, I feel like there will never be an alternative to YouTube.
Hosting video costs a lot of money, it’s not something anyone can do
Even if you magically host video, the real challenge is discoverability.
It’s a bit like how easy it is to replace google maps, but the secret sauce is google places.
I can see how you would think that but peertube is very good bar the discoverability atm. Hosting your own content is easy and cheap. Just the search engine needs to be better. And you need to be able to search all federated servers.
My example is minecraft. I make videos but if I search minecraft on peertube some random stuff gets pushed for a reason I cant understand.
And the almost hidden gotcha of sharing your IP.
You‘re talking about the peer2peer video sharing. Thats an entire different can of worms in my book. Not sure about that either. But youtube and the whole megacorp situation is an abomination that needs to go, no matter the past advances they made. One reason they act anti competitively is because being innovative is hard and risky and they‘d rather get rich securely.
You can use a VPS or cloudflare in that case
Yeah the scale of infrastructure needed for video hosting at a scale needed for creators to move over is nutso. The creators won’t move without the audience, the audience won’t move without the creators. Only way it could work is if another “megacorp” decided to take on YouTube and incentivised creators to move.
Pretty much only Apple and Microsoft have the funds to pull that off.
Still, there is place for competition, people just need to stop expecting these services to be completely free of charge. When Google ‘fees’ (data collection and ads) will stop being hidden or easily avoidable other companies will be able to provide similar services for a fair price.
Yup, I’m paying for Nebula which is creator-owned. It doesn’t do everything YouTube does, but it’s a cool direction for the medium to go into - at least to try.
Also stopped using Insta after the fuckers randomly blocked me and demanded access to my ID to release. I’m not giving them my passport just so I can doomscroll.
Reddit was the only service I used. The day my favorite 3rd party app stopped working. I gave them the finger and created a lemmy account and installed Jerboa.
Pretty straightforward! Congrats. :)
Can recommend Boost for Lemmy. Was a great app for Reddit earlier. They converted their app to Lemmy pretty darn fast. Sync for Lemmy is also good but is subscription based unlike Boost.
- Lemmy 95%. I use Reddit for tech troubleshooting help sometimes but that’s basically it, and I removed my account.
- Never used Twitter. I have a Mastodon account but rarely use it. It’s just not a content format that I’m very interested in.
- Sadly I use Discord still. Matrix is fine, but nearly all my friends use Discord for gaming and related stuff, so I can’t get rid of it without losing basically all my gaming friends and servers.
- Still use YT all the time, but only through apps like NewPipe, FreeTube, and GrayJay. I haven’t signed into YT for well over a year now.
Slowly but surely I’m getting rid of the corpo’s grip on my life.
Congrats! I appreciate every soul we can rip from the corpo claws. 3. There are matrix bridges that can puppet your account. Pretty cool. Though I need to figure out how to use them. Found out this week. 4. Check out peertube. Especially sepiasearch.org. It’s not perfect and you need to accept that they dont have an algorithm so you need to sort by newest or be very specific in your search terms. Trying to get them to add sort by likes, watch numbers or comment numbers. Lets see how that goes.
I’ve heard of bridges but never tried them, I’ll look into them more.
Peertube is pretty cool, just doesn’t have all the creators I watch currently. I do still watch some content on there though.
Awesome idea! They‘re great.
Peertube is great but it needs time.
I was solely Reddit before the API debacle, now I’m solely Lemmy. There’s not a lot of content here, but here I am.
I tried Mastodon after the Twitter buyout. It has all the downsides of Twitter (short posts, people constantly axe grinding, reply guys) without the upsides (content creators that I want to interact with, humour accounts). I dropped Mastodon after a couple of months.
That’s also my problem with Mastodon. Want to use it over Twitter, it’s a good form of broadcasting for updates to my interests/followed organizations/products/etc. But nobody’s there… 🤷♂️
Never felt the need for microblogging when Reddit existed, and chats are a mess and I will never understand the appeal unless I spent 24 hours there. So now it’s Lemmy all the way… except for YouTube, of course, because that one is simply too hard to avoid, although I do mostly use Piped mirrors.
I sadly agree on youtube. I love watching gameranx to fall asleep to. Trying to get into peertube though. Still very early, no app, search is bad imo but the idea is great.
YouTube is still there. Through invidious, but still…
I hate yt for a while now and avoid it. The grimaces they make in the teasers and the sensationalism displayed in the recommendations deter me. It seems to be tailored for infants and insanely stupid people. It feels like a constant stream of insults: “We assume you’re a caveman. Why don’t you watch this person with wide open mouth and eyes do something utterly ridiculous and useless to promote a product? … or maybe some manipulative conspiracy theories dressed up as educational entertainment that are intended to make you hate and blame the proper minorities?” No ty yt. Stop beeing creepy.
Yeah. Same for me. I can’t let go since the discoverability of peertube is so bad for me.
Came to lemmy with the first exodus of redditors.
Do have mastodon but never use it just like I used to have Twitter and never use it. I might just not understand how people use those services as after I set them up they are just a cluttered feeling version of my rss feeds.
Pixelfed is neat but I haven’t used Instagram since it first came out so I don’t know how they compare.
I’ve never liked, subscribed or commented that I know of to a YouTube video but I have learned to fix lots of things. Have not tried peertube.
More people should use pixelfed.
I agree. More people should use fedi apps in general. But same as corpo media employs people for marketing. The fediverse needs open source marketing so to speak. We cant assume it will work on its own.
Never really used Twitter (beyond some retweets to enter giveaways), so no use for Mastodon.
I do have Matrix, but not much happening there for me. Discord is where the people are.
Use Piped (well, LibreTube) instead of going to Youtube directly - it still has the content.
Makes sense. I‘m also using youtube at times since my favorite creators are there but I‘m slowly easing off, always searching on peertube first. :)
You can bridge discord to matrix. That would unify your communications without cutting you off.
Anyone here tried Matrix and Discord?
Is Matrix even close to be as good? I want to do the switch, but there’s no way I convince any of my friends, if it’s not at least a little better at something.
Matrix is okay, but not a drop-in replacement for discord. No calling.
They’re testing calling now actually. Idk how good it is but I saw the option in settings
Element supports video calling and it has been working great for me.
Thats wrong. Video calls work flawlessly.
Another alternative is Revolt. It’s open source and very similar to Discord, but it’s not federated, and thus not part of the fediverse.
I use matrix exclusively since a month ago. Works pretty much the same, not ad polished but you can bridge nearly anything to matrix. Whatsapp, Discord, Telegram, Signal etc. i highly suggest you check it out.
Just to understand bridges:
Is it possible for me if, let’s say, I bridged Messenger, WhatsApp and Discord into Matrix, that I could write to anyone from that app only via bridges?
Or how does it work?
Exactly that. One app, all chats.
I’ve been using Matrix for the last few months, via Element which supports some newer feature like video and voice calls, and it’s been great. My only complaint is that their Video Rooms feature is kinda flaky with video, which is weird given that one-on-one video calls are rock-solid. Voice-only in a Video Room is reliable tho. Video Rooms are still an experimental feature that you have to enable in your settings.
I’ve seen a couple of Discord servers that use a Matrix Bridge to sync up Discord chats with Matrix Spaces. The only downside to that is that bridges and bots don’t support E2EE, which if you’re bridging to Discord, isn’t much of a downside anyway.
- Use both
- No use both
- Discord all the way
- Youtube premium
I don’t think at the moment fediverse have enough content and facilities for me.
Fair enough. I am too unhappy with large corps to go that route but I can see how the fediverse would not suit everyone.
Lemmy definitely replaced reddit as my daily driver. The only time I ever visit reddit anymore is for obscure troubleshooting information that is usually old.
I never really got into twitter. The format just doesn’t interest me very much, like others have mentioned. Mastodon definitely seems cool though. I created an account just because.
I’ve been on discord, but I could probably easily switch that to matrix because I don’t have that many friends…
I hope that something like peertube will take off, but I’m not really on that one. For now, I’ve resigned to using alternative frontends (newpipe, freetube, etc.). I’m trying to give odysee a fair chance, but the content just isn’t quite there yet for me.
The most extreme things that I want to switch out is google, and microsoft. I’m basically going to have to swap operating systems on my phone, as well as my laptop. That pales in comparison to my vehicle though. Lately the idea has been floating around in my head to downgrade my vehicle to something that was before android auto/ apple carplay. Vehicle manufactures have made it impossible to opt out of anything. I hate this so much.
Can very much relate with all of this.
Especially getting away from microsoft was like going outside after years. Its so much better without them I cant describe it.
I‘ll probably make a peertube video about installing linux mint or something. Its really easy for a noob like i was one not long ago. :)
If you do, could you post a link to it? I’d enjoy watching something like that.
Something else that I think would be nice to see is just some of your everyday typical usecases with mint. Anything you might have run into that gave you trouble, etc.
Sure! Will try! :)
Awesome!
With the exception of YouTube, I have left all platforms completely. I would leave YouTube too, if there are good tutorial-style web-dev content creators on PeerTube. Also, PeerTube needs a good app. Also, PeerTube instance search sucks, in my opinion. Haven’t tried Sepia Search, maybe that is good.
No, sepia search sucks a lot in my opinion. We need to work on that. But if you have web dev experience, feel free to help with that. :) and you‘re totally correct with the app as well.
I mean, I could, but right now I have decided to not contribute for some time. I hate one-sided contribution and I only want support open-source communities that give back to their devs. This isn’t about money. I worked for GitLab as a contributor starting from last September. This was around the same time I graduated, but I did not get any campus placement, and I was confused about what I should be doing, given that there was a bad recession affecting my country. But I did not get anything of value back in return for all the code I wrote - and by return, I mean something like a job referral, mentorship or good connection.
I felt like I got a bunch of corporate gratitude nonsense, who were able to spend less on hiring devs, because they were able to find similar idiots like me, and that did has not helped me from my current situation of joblessness and poor mental health. This is why I stopped working on their code around July. Closed my half-complete MRs and all the assigned issues I had, moved away from the platform gradually at the start of November, because that experience left a bad taste in my mouth.
I‘m not sure if I understand you correctly.
I know there is gitlab.com, the commercial site and then there is the open source gitlab you can self host, right?
Working on the code and being a contributor to big open source projects is quite the thing for your cv. I don’t see how a „normal“ open source project could do anything for you except look great on your cv. Because thats the point. Open source is not someone who has to be thankful to you. It is like working on the church in your small town. People work together on it or donate to make it possible.
The „i only give if i get back“ is kind of the reason we‘re in megacorp dystopian hellscape rn.
Working on the code and being a contributor to big open source projects is quite the thing for your cv. I don’t see how a „normal“ open source project could do anything for you except look great on your cv. Because thats the point.
Except that it wasn’t. Not a single employer looked at this. I’ve been applying for jobs since the last four year, starting from my second year in college. I’ve been rejected from international job offers because my identity comes with all the worst stereotypes, including sweatshop programmer and scammer.
I was also rejected locally, because I’ve graduated from a shitty tier-3 college. I’ve done my due diligence to highlight whatever open-source projects I’ve worked for “free” selflessly, without demanding for compensation or fame - I just wanted mentorship or access to opportunities - which I did not receive, but I did not complain, as I thought to myself that my contributions could have given some value.
The only job I was able to procure last October was a shitty internship because I had experience with RoR, which isn’t popular anymore in my country. It was a disgusting, dehumanizing experience, where I had no freedom to work on my own project, I was humiliated, treated like an IT sweatshop labor, and there was no concept of work-life balance. Left that job at the end of January.
Open source is not someone who has to be thankful to you.
And I am not asking them to be. Suppose you’re a volunteer for a church, or a temple, and your partner is right now in a coma from a serious case of sepsis, and you have lost your Medicare. Are you telling me that the church ghosting, or giving lazy Facebook “prayer” posts, instead of actively doing what they can, in their best interest for their active members acceptable, for all the hours you’ve put in for selfless contribution?
The „i only give if i get back“ is kind of the reason we‘re in megacorp dystopian hellscape rn.
Maslow’s hierarchy of needs has three types of needs, starting from the highest priority to the lowest in it’s most generalized format: basic needs (physiological and safety needs), psychological needs (belongingness, love and esteem needs) and self-fulfillment needs. I can’t even fulfill the first one, the rest of them are far-fetched ideals. Mega-corp dystopian hellscape is of no concern to me, just like privacy or freedom, when I’m starving to death, have no place to live, and have the total balance to afford only food for a month (by the way, I’ve not touched my bank account since March), and the only one supporting a family of four people is my illiterate, unskilled tenth-fail old man, who has been working since he was fifteen, and all four members of the family have poor physical and mental health, but can’t do anything about that.
Here’s my combined GitHub + GitLab contribution by the way. The brighter squares means 20+ contributions per day (33 is the highest I’ve done). My personal projects are on Codeberg, which I’ve chosen to not include. Most of my contribution around October-November is empty, because I had a breakdown. I was dedicated starting from my second year, until I lost all my interest around July this year, but I kept going. My contributions involve not just GitLab, but also Ruby gems, database adapters, machine learning libraries, Nix package maintenance, and Svelte ecosystem. Now, I’ve just had enough.
I can absolutely understand your frustration, I do. But it has to do with a completely different thing.
Being discriminated against for your degree from a school not deemed „worthy“ and employers not caring about your resumes is cruel and unfair but nothing open source can help you with.
Imo, you‘re pursuing this wrong. Its not „pour all your efforts into open source and you‘ll be successful“ but „occasionally help out if you can to bolster your cv“.
What you are describing is a singular focus that can only lead to burnout and breakdown. It’s not your fault you dont fit their criteria but you need to understand that it’s not anyones fault in particular either.
What you can do though is talk to an HR professional to go over your cv with you and help rewrite it so its more straightforward.
I hope this helps.
- Yep
- Wasn’t on Twitter really (I’ve had various accounts over the years but they never stuck), couldn’t see the point of it. Got two active Mastodon accounts though and I’m all over it like a rash.
- Nah Discord is still perfectly fine for the way I use it
- Uploading my stuff to both. But PT really need to acknowledge the major discovery problems before it can get anywhere, and at the moment they don’t even seem to accept that their instance search tool (ie the first thing most people will need) is broken, so I don’t have high hopes.
- there are puppeting bridges for matrix->discord. Just saying :)
- I just raised that issue a couple moments ago in their gitlab. Might even start working on it if I can understand it. Let’s see. Because I see the potential and want it to succeed.
Haha, yes I know, this entire thread is just an opportunity for you to tell people about Matrix Discord bridges! But I’ve personally got no use for it yet. And that’s ok 😉
Glad someone might be in a position to help with the PT stuff. I can’t help with the actual codebase but have been pulling together feature requests and bug reports as well as doing a lot of tech support for new users so we all do our part where we can. Teamwork!
Awesome! And yes, I just told my wife that I might have to make a video tutorial on that bridge thing. Would be easier than typing it out all the time. But alas I get to tell people and we might see even more users in the fediverse.
Feel free to hit me up on matrix btw. I like to connect to other open source folks.
- 65-75%. I go in Reddit only when I seek for information that cannot be found conveniently otherwise.
- 0%. I don’t have an account in neither. Sometimes I click a link that takes me to Twitter.
- 0%. Visited Matrix’s website but I haven’t though much more about it.
- 0% so far. Haven’t thought much about it yet.
Perfectly reasonable. You really don’t need to know anything about matrix except its the better version of discord, whatsapp, telegram, imessage, fb-messenger, signal, etc. It also can have puppeting for the other services. So you use matrix and can talk to your whatsapp friends if you like. The best clients I’ve used so far are element.io and fluffychat. Check them out if you want.
Peertube is a great thing and has some decent content. You need to be very particular with your search terms on sepiasearch.com though since the discoverability lacks still.
Yeah I just tried to look for one video but found nothing 😅
better version of discord, whatsapp, telegram, imessage, fb-messenger, signal, etc.
How would I set it up?
Yes, thats peertube atm. Check sepiasearch.org and sort by newest. That helped me.
I‘d try it first. You can use matrix.org as a starting point. Its the biggest matrix server and from the foundation that made the protocoll.
If you want to selfhost you need a server that is available on the web (vps or port forward). You then put synapse on it (i did it in docker) and the bridges you want. Once you get the hang its easy.
There are many detailed explanations. If you need a video explanation, I can make one.
Good luck.
Why is matrix better than discord?
On Discord you are forced to use single proprietary app from single provider (that btw is really close with China’s Tencent) and to use their infrastructure. Basically using Discord is trapping yourself and friends into the will of giant company because chat systems are hard to switch.
With Matrix you can choose between many apps, but most importantly you can can choose a server or even create your own.
Thank you for elaborating. Additionally, matrix does not serve you ads, sell your data or has your chats stored somewhere without you able to access it. You can selfhost it too.
I’d love to use matrix more but unfortunately it’s really hard to convince other people to use it.
Then just bridge it. Feel free to hit me up too. @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
I don’t use anything else, except NewPipe for YouTube. Sometimes I use a Revanced YouTube app without an account, I periodically delete its data and start over again, but no Facebook, xitter, etc. Only true exception is WhatsApp.
Only true exception is WhatsApp.
Die heretic!!!
Honestly it’s hard when IM platforms are so fragmented to get the people around you to move over. I never had to convince friends to move to Lemmy to use it.
I think you’re kidding so don’t take this all as a criticism.
You can use matrix bridges now. Theyre awesome
Very relatable. Whatsapp is very baked into our lives here as well. There is a solution though. Matrix has bridges for most of the IMs out there. You only use matrix and can chat with most others like discord, whatsapp, signal, telegram etc.
Is it hard to setup? Because it sounds too good to be easy. It doesn’t matter a lot to me, on the contrary, I’m interested in a a setup that centralizes all of my IM apps, and I’m willing to invest efforts to make it happen.
Great attitude! :)
It’s not hard if you selfhosted something before. I just decided to make a video about this since so many people ask how to do it.
You will need a computer that runs 24/7 though. You could technically run it at home but port forwarding is a security risk so you should be pretty advanced to do that.
I‘d rather you rent a small vps at serverhunter.com for 5-10 bucks a month. Please be aware that you need backups. Otherwise you will be sad.
Will try to edit my post when the vid is done.
