Two questions.

My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said

“oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.

First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.

Second, if it isn’t, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?

  • Otter@lemmy.caEnglish
    222·
    7 months ago

    This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.

    The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.

    • zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
      221·
      7 months ago

      He is talking about encryption, which I addressed. Maybe reading comprehension, eh?

      • Otter@lemmy.caEnglish
        16·
        7 months ago

        Wider context matters

        Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use

        • if one company can’t prove they are actually using the high quality lock
        • if one company acts as a middleman, doing the locking/unlocking for you
        • if one company watches everything you do before and after using the locker, allowing them to infer what you are using it for

        Even if we specifically talk about security, one is better than the other.

        • zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
          124·
          7 months ago

          WhatsApp has been endorsed by Moxie himself who invented Signal Protocol. What more do you want? Long winded talk for shit?

          • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
            10·
            7 months ago

            Appeals to authority are antithetical to any security assessment. Security is about capabilities, not about intentions.

      • Konlanx@feddit.de
        141·
        7 months ago

        “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.

        In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.

        So no, you didn’t address shit.

        • zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
          118·
          7 months ago

          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣

          All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.

              • Konlanx@feddit.de
                12·
                7 months ago

                It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.

                It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.

                Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.

                Maybe reading comprehension, eh?

                • velox_vulnus@lemmy.ml
                  13·
                  7 months ago

                  It’s a rage-bait, avoid trolls like them. Whatsapp is close-sourced - so we don’t know shit about how good their encryption is - remember how phone numbers were showing up on Google Search? Yeah. Meta also works with the local government to suppress “fake news” - so, how exactly does it know what the contents are, without breaking encryption? These are two of the most convincing reason to not use the app.

                • zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
                  115·
                  7 months ago

                  So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.

                  Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.

                  • Konlanx@feddit.de
                    8·
                    7 months ago

                    Are you able to coherently answer or is it going to stay like this? Because then I will end this conversation here.

              • nick@midwest.social
                31·
                7 months ago

                Give it up, you sound like either a you don’t know what you’re talking about or a you’re a bootlicker for facebook.

                You’re never going to win a pro Facebook argument in this community.