• filister@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Oh, please tell me what you think of IDF killing their own:

    An initial IDF probe into the hostage killing incident suggests all three men were shirtless, with one carrying a makeshift white flag.

    On seeing them, one Israeli soldier shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces, initiating fire at the men, according to reports.

    While two hostages were hit immediately and fell to the ground, the third managed to escape into a nearby building where despite pleas in Hebrew, he was also shot and killed, a military official said.

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      In an environment where that’s the standard tactic of Hamas, hide behind civilians, yeah, I understand the friendly fire. This is Hamas. They blew up their own hospital, hoping ppl like worldnews would blame Israel for it… and they did.

      If you think that while hiding amongst civilians or while keeping hostages they aren’t trained to try and appear like innocents, then I don’t know how to help you. It’s literally their main tactic.

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        According to the IDF, Hamas did not fire a rocket on the hospital. They attributed that to the Islamist Jihadist group - a separate organisation.

        Meanwhile, all the “tunnel networks” under Al Shifa hospital, that Israel touted as proof of Hamas using hospitals for military purposes, were in fact basement operating rooms that Israeli contractors built in the 1980’s, and so far have not been shown to be connected to any military tunnels.

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        wow, we are getting into these conspiracy theories, ya? well I’ll tell you that the IDF killed those 1300 Israelis.

        now for some real info: Netanyahu supported Hamas to stay in power by targeting their opposition, there would be no Hamas if not for the Ethnostate government in Israel right now.

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          You joke, but I’ve seen sick people make that claim that the IDF killed all the victims. It’s as palatable as Alex Jones mocking the dead children.

          Now for some real info:

          Perez was winning and going to beat Bibi, publicly proclaiming that he will still pursue a two state solution with Arafat. Polls also showed strong national public support for a two state solution.

          Hamas couldn’t have that, so right before the election, they executed a series of suicide bombings and bus bombings killing many civilians (which they always target). Immediately after that, Bibi won by less than a percent. Bibi paid them back by helping them get rid of Arafat, who still (publicly at least) claimed to want a two state solution.

          Bibi and Hamas have been working together tightly and deeply ever since. They are the same people. If love to see Bibi tried for war crimes and many other Likud members.

          All of this is fact, go do the reading if you don’t believe it. Hamas made Bibi.

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            Bibi and Hamas have been working together tightly and deeply ever since. They are the same people.

            Ok now I’m drinking your Kool-Aid. However, the one caveat I would make is that it isn’t really “Hamas” here, it’s Iran, encouraging Hamas. Suffice it to say, there’s lots of political puppetry going on in this region.

            The vast majority of Palestinians weren’t alive for the last Yom Kippur war - 50 years ago to the day of the 7 October holiday. Bibi was alive. It stands to reason that most Palestinians don’t even know what happened back then, let alone remembering it, but Bibi absolutely should have expected something on such a key anniversary. Instead, beforehand Bibi stirred shit with all the IDF troops, left weak border security on the day with clear single points of failure, then claimed ignorance when everything hit the fan.

            However, him directing war crimes does not absolve the Israel troops who are actually committing war crimes. Both should be punished.

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            7 months ago

            nah, Hamas only took the opportunity they had been waiting on, Bibi had to redeploy the IDF from the Gaza border in order to help pogrom the West bank animals

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              Hamas took the opportunity of striking on the 50th anniversary of the last Yom Kippur war, and Bibi had no way of seeing that coming?