I just spent a good chunk of today migrating some services onto new docker containers in Proxmox LXCs.
As I was updating my network diagram, I was struck by just how many services, hosts, and LXCs I’m running, so counted everything up.
- 116 docker containers
- Running on 25 docker hosts
- 50 are the same on each docker host - Watchtower and Portainer agent
- 38 Proxmox LXCs (19 are docker hosts)
- 8 physical servers
- 7 VLANs
- 5 SSIDs
- 2 NASes
So, it got me wondering about the size of other people’s homelabs. What are your stats?
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Dude, are you living in your company’s server room?
Lol - not quite. It sounds like a lot, but all of this runs on a couple of HP DL360s, a handful of Raspberry Pis, a nettop box, and a couple of consumer NASes.
“i swear it’s not a lot”
Goes on the describe an infrastructure setup comparable to most medium sized businesses
I love this community!
Well, to be fair, I do use my homelab to play with stuff I may or may not want to use at work. I don’t need PEAP auth for wireless, with a separate RADIUS server and Postgres database. But I have it. 😉
- 116 docker containers
- Running on 25 docker hosts
- 50 are the same on each docker host - Watchtower and Portainer agent
- 38 Proxmox LXCs (19 are docker hosts)
- 8 physical servers
- 7 VLANs
- 5 SSIDs
- 2 NASes
And a partridge in a pear treeeee.
Lol - Merry Christmas, my anonymous friend. 🎅
When I read lists like this, I often wonder, what is this person doing with all these containers and such? Do they actually use all of them regularly?
I’ve got:
1 proxmox machine serving - Openmediavault - 2 shares (jellyfin, general smb shares) Homeassistant Uptimekuma for monitoring Jellyfin
And some misc VMs for trying out things.
1 pi4b - pihole 1 pi3a+ tailscale subnet router / exit node
I often look at lists of things i can host and think to myself “do I need this?”. This br8ngs me back to huge lists of services like this and my curiosity. Do folks actually interact with all these services regularly? Honest question, no shade intended.
Do folks actually interact with all these services regularly?
In my case, yep. I believe in as much separation between services as possible, so each service essentially resides on its own docker host, whether physical or Linux container.
That said, some of my services are stacks of multiple containers. For example. my DNS service is a pair of Pi-hole DNS servers, each running their own Pi-hole container, but each one also running containers for Cloudflare tunnel and telemtry export to Prometheus.
Immich has a stack of 6 containers, Piped a stack of 5. So, out of the 66 containers (that aren’t Portainer agent or Watchtower), it probably condenses down to around half that number (eg. the 25 docker hosts I have, plus a handful or two others).
each service essentially resides on its own docker host, whether physical or Linux container.
This is the way. Multiple simple dedicated systems is so much easier to maintain than a single “do everything” server.
It’s what docker and Proxmox were born to do!
Do folks actually interact with all these services regularly?
Regularly, probably not, just depends. If you only spin things us to setup or learn something, no. https://infosec.pub/comment/5234431
It’s not much, but I’ve got a little LG netbook with an Atom CPU and 2GB RAM running Pi-hole and Syncthing.
My starting point (with this incarnation of my homelab) was my Asrock ION330 nettop box. Then I discovered Raspberry Pis. Then I decided I needed a couple of HP DL360s. RIP my power bill.
One day when I’m all growed up I want to have a better setup. For now I’ve got what I absolutely need.
Yep - fair enough. Admittedly, my homelab is as much for professional development as it is home use, but pretty much everything gets used all the time.
How do people get to so many Docker containers before moving to Kubernetes? I only have 76 containers across 68 pods and that’s far too much for me to manage in Docker.
Honestly, anything not mission critical (network/internet and home automation, mainly) gets auto-updated by Watchtower. I have Watchtower set to pull latest images of everything on a weekly basis, and specific containers that are set to monitor only. Every Saturday morning, I check the Slack channel for notifications of containers that need controlled updating.
Not really doing much docker, but a lot of LXC - everything scripted with ansible. I define basic container metadata in a yaml parsed by a custom inventory plugin - and that is sufficient for deploying a container before doing provisioning in it.
You’ve got like a whole DCs worth of stuff. I’ve downscaled the hardware in my server a lot, but it’s still just a single Threadripper 2970wx with 128 GB RAM and 50 TB of ZFS storage and 50 TB of cloud based object storage in a midtower case. I have like 20 containers running, one is a Caddy webserver which acts as a reverse proxy for all the others.
I love to do things to excess as much as the next geek, but I could never find a reason to run as much as you have.
Honestly, it’s because I like to play. I don’t need PEAP auth for my wireless network, but I run a radius server providing MAC and user auth, anyway.
I hear ya, the answer to “why?” is usually “because I can” 😂
About 8 months ago I had 20x HDDs and 8x NVME drives in my server, totaling 187 TB across three ZFS pools. I could write to the largest pool (2 RAIDZ1 striped vdevs, 6 drives wide) at 250 MB/sec and read from it at over a GB/sec and that was from spinning rust with NVME “special devices”.
What was I doing with all of this? Pirating movies and TV shows and running a media server for my friends and family.
- 8 Hosts (6 physical/local, 2 VPS/remote)
- 72 Docker containers
- Pi-hole (3 of them, 2 local, 1 on a VPS)
- Orbital-sync (keeps the pi-holes synced up)
- Searxng (search engine)
- Kutt (URL shortener)
- LenPaste (Pastebin-like)
- Ladder (paywall bypass)
- Squoosh (Image converter, runs fully in browser but I like hosting it anyway)
- Paperless-ng (Document management)
- CryptPad (Secure E2EE office colaboration)
- Immich (Google Photos replacement)
- Audiobookplayer (Audiobook player)
- Calibre (Ebook management)
- NextCloud (Don’t honestly use this one much these days)
- VaultWarden (Password/2FA/PassKey management)
- Memos (Like Google Keep)
- typehere (A simple scratchpad that stores in browser memory)
- librechat (Kind of like chatgpt except self-hosted and able to use your own models/api keys)
- Stable Diffusion (AI image generator)
- JellyFin (Video streaming)
- Matrix (E2EE Secure Chat provider)
- IRC (oldschool chat service)
- FireFlyIII (finance management)
- ActualBudget (another finance thing)
- TimeTagger (Time tracking/invoicing)
- Firefox Sync (Use my own server to handle syncing between browsers)
- LibreSpeed (A few instances, to speed testing my connection to the servers)
- Probably others I can’t think of right now
Most of these I use at least regularly, quite a few I use constantly.
I can’t imagine living without Searxng, VaultWarden, Immich, JellyFin, and CryptPad.
I also wouldn’t want to go back to using the free ad-supported services out there for things like memos, kutt, and lenpaste.
Also librechat I think is underappreciated. Even just using it for GPT with an api key is infinitely better for your privacy than using the free chatgpt service that collects/owns all your data.
But it’s also great for using gpt4 to generate an image prompt, sending it through a prompt refiner, and then sending it to Stable Diffusion to generate an image, all via a single self-hosted interface.
Audiobookplayer
Which program do you mean with this? I’m only familiar eith audiobookshelf
Ah yeah that’s the one, sorry
I have a NAS and it runs deluge to download torrents, and hosts two very basic websites.
How many W are you pulling, on the average? Or kWh per year.
For reference: Using dual E5-2630L, DL360/380G8 uses around 130-150 watts average unless something is spiking.
With a couple Cisco routers, 4 HP server, adds about 150 dollars to my monthly bill. This wouldn’t be possible in Europe.
My current supplier rate is about 0.6 EUR/kWh. I make some 1/2 to 2/3 of my power myself, for a price that’s less than half of that.
make some 1/2 to 2/3 of my power myself I’d have to :) That’s .66c US per. Mine is .11-12 US / .10 EUR. Mine is 6 times cheaper. `Merica
Insert rant about our power is probably a large percentage of coal and gas (cheap + super bad)
Good question. According to my UPS, I’m pulling about 173Wh for everything except my pair of HP DL360s. Those each have a couple of 480W PSUs in them, but they’re nowhere near running at full tilt, so I can’t be sure. I really should get some power measurement going…
You’re probably drawing about 400-450 W.
Yeah, seems about right. I’m planning on buying a 32RU rack in the new year - will fit it out with power monitoring PDUs while I’m at it.
- 33 nomad jobs, most being containers
- 12 physical nomad clients
- 3 amd64 poweredge
- 2 pi4
- 6 Nano Pi r5c
- 1 odroid M1
- Ceph: (nomad orchestrated)
- 8 OSD
- 50TB total raw disk
Ah - I’ve been meaning to look into Nomad. I have plenty of admiration for Hashicorp’s products. How are you finding it?
I believe they changed some of their licensing from the fallout of their IPO. Just worth noting for the selfhosting crowd. I know terraform is being forked entirely, but I’m unfamiliar with the specifics beyond that.
At my day job, we took a look at nomad and now we are planning to run everything in nomad. It’s just so simple to understand and a joy to use.
My day job is a lot of kube/openshift so nomad is refreshing. Having the template blocks are amazing and makes it so that much of what helm gave me is not required. Parameterized jobs are the best once you find a good use case for them!
I don’t have a homelab ( space contrains ) but I do have 2 vps that I use to host in total 13 docker containers, mail server and an xmpp server.
Edit: My lemmy server is also hosted on them.
What I’m more interesting in is what is it that you selfhost to have so many docker containers?
What I’m more interesting in is what is it that you selfhost to have so many docker containers?
Well, lots of services are stacks of containers - Immich has 6 containers and Piped has 5, for example - so it’s easy for the container count to get up there.
Other “services” are groups of containers/hosts to provide a complete capability - Home Assistant; esphome; Node-RED, for example. Then there’s just the stuff that, due to my desire for loose coupling, are spread across multiple docker hosts/containers - 5 x Sonarr/Radarr instances, for example.
A single SFF desktop setup in a Node306. 2700x, 32 GB RAM, Arc A380, some WD reds.
- Homeassistant & associated packages for esphome and Zwave stuff
- Jellyfin
- *arr suite + transmission
- yacht
- uptimekuma
- paperless
- immich
- authelia with OIDC SSO for containers where possible
- traefik for reverse proxy
- Nexcloud
- valheim server
- boinc in the winter
- syncthing forum phone sync
- more services for keeping up the others
Soon a pihole to come.
I want to expand my smart home setup. My project this spring is integrating my smart gas and electric meters into homeassistant. We are completely stripping the house so I am wiring up everything with KNX with a nee Zwave devices where needed. Greatly expanding the smartish home.
I also have to set up a proper network. Right now I am using my Proximus Internet Box from the ISP which admittedly is pretty customizable.
- *art suite + transmission
*arr suite?
Love this! Lot of similarity to what I use - Authelia’s awesome, especially paired with a free push 2FA like Duo.
boinc in the winter
Lol. I really doubt an extra Watt or two during winter helps, and probably not saving much than just running it the whole year.
Good post though
No, I (respectfully) disagree… When I had a tower PC under my desk, I upped Boinc to use ~50% idle CPU (from memory… might’ve been more) and that would just keep the chill off my office so that I didn’t need to heat it (unless it was really cold).
In the Summer I would drop Boinc down to ~25% as it was getting too hot in there.
Well, considering going from a 40W idle system to 80 to 100W is a >100% increase in power.
In Belgium we pay 0.30€ per kWh, so running the entire year at 80W average is approximately 150€ difference with idle the entire year. That definitely helps. That is 1/3 the cost of a lawnmower or a month of groceries.
But in the winter it is a 80-100W small heater that can keep a local area a degree or so warmer.
When you start paying your own power bill it really adds up. I wish I had gone for an intel NUC sometimes.
I see your electric is about 2.2x the cost of mine, so yes that’s significant. Was mostly pointing at your net impact to heating in winter, which in your case is only an additional 40-60W from baseline. That’s effectively an extra Type A light bulb in your room. This is more of a savings during hot months than effectively heating during cold months.
It really depends on the size of the space. It does a lot more in a room of 8m^2 than 20m^2. There is a reason that a 40W incandescent bulb is used to ferment foods like yogurt in an oven. It produces enough heat to keep the whole oven at fermenting temps.
I’ve got one headless cheap desktop PC sitting under my desk.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters AP WiFi Access Point DNS Domain Name Service/System ESXi VMWare virtual machine hypervisor Git Popular version control system, primarily for code HTTP Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web LVM (Linux) Logical Volume Manager for filesystem mapping LXC Linux Containers MQTT Message Queue Telemetry Transport point-to-point networking NAS Network-Attached Storage NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers PSU Power Supply Unit PiHole Network-wide ad-blocker (DNS sinkhole) Plex Brand of media server package PoE Power over Ethernet RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage SSO Single Sign-On Unifi Ubiquiti WiFi hardware brand VPN Virtual Private Network VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting) ZFS Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity nginx Popular HTTP server
20 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 3 acronyms.
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- 3 DL360G8 Esxi (86Ghz/512GB RAM)
- 1 DL380G8 TrueNAS
- 1 DL360G7 Veeam
- Dell n5070 Extended PVE SophosnUTM
- 48 Port Catalyst rack switch
- Cisco 2921
- Fibre Channel / iSCSI
50+ VMs and containers:
- VMware ESXi, vCenter, VMware Log Insight, VMware OPS
- DMVPN to remote locations like a desk switch at work and family member houses
- Sophos UTM
- Active Directory for my home computers
- hybrid sync to MS Entra (Azure Active Directory) with Entra Connect
- hybrid Exchange on Premise and Exchange online
- Active Directory for management network
- Security Onion VMs for IDS
- Network monitoring like Elastiflow, PRTG
- Docker, gitlab, OpenSalt / Saltstack
- Trellix ePO for AV
- Nessus vuln scanners
- Team Awareness Kit (TAK) server
- Active Directory Certificate Services
- Home media applications
These things are mostly to maintain familiarity and documentation development. I write off the cost of electricity as continuing education and professional development. More enterprise than some enterprises.
86Ghz
Woah
Most likely some sum of (cores x Ghz) each processor in all servers? While it kind of makes sense, it feels like a much higher clock speed than what I’m used to seeing.
I have a single quad sock E5-4640 server, I think in terms of me having 4 processors with 8 cores at base 2.4Ghz each; I don’t regularly (or ever, for that matter) think in terms of me having 76.8Ghz.
360G8s should be single or dual sock E5 v2 processors. I can’t really math right now (insufficient caffeine), but I can’t seem to make the math work, so I’d imagine something that to be an aggregated across all three systems, not individual systems?
Yes, aggregate of all three hosts in cluster, sorry. Dual socket, six cores.
Love it! I’m gonna grab a 32RU rack soon. Got most of my stuff in a small ~14RU wall cabinet right now. I was originally aiming for low power everything - RasPis, etc. But I’ve since bought a couple DL360s, and you just can’t beat the sheer grunt factor, especially when paired with Proxmox.
