More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven’t found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

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    Why is it that the people making the accusations of genocide don’t like it when it is pointed out that the people they are specifically accusing the children and grandchildren of Holocaust survivors?

    You may be refusing to use the word Jew, you may be talking only of specific Jews (in truth the majority of Israeli/American Jews, who are the majority of Jews worldwide, but I digress), and you may refuse to bear mention of their relation to genocide themselvea, but this is what you mean, clearly, unless you can decontextualize the Israeli government from the people of Israel, as if it is something placed on them and not of them. You aren’t able to do that, I suspect.

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      I don’t mind it being pointed out. It’s especially damning because of that. You would think that they had learned better. But as is often the problem with humankind. We don’t ever really learn. We just retaliate when given the chance.

      When I say Israel that means government. When I say Israeli people. That means Israeli people. Like when people say America. Typically means American government. When they say American people. That typically means the American people. Is that clear? Hopefully that clears it up.

      And to be 1000% clear. It is the Israeli government, specifically likud In the knesset that are the problem. Plenty of the Israeli people are aghast at their own government’s actions.

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        Sure, plenty of people in Israel are aghast at their government’s actions, but they aren’t claiming genocide like you are.

        So.again, we are dealing with you using Jews as a prop who can be trusted when they agree with you but but can’t when they disagree with you.

        How is this not antisemitism in your mind?

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            5 months ago

            Is this the consensus or have you just found somebody who agrees with you and are ignoring other voices?

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              Raz Segal (Hebrew: רז סגל) is an Israeli historian residing in the United States who is Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Endowed Professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University, where he also directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program. He has written multiple books about the Holocaust in Carpathian Ruthenia, based on analysis of primary and secondary sources in Hebrew, English, German, Yiddish and Hungarian.Source

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                5 months ago

                Yes, you posted this before and never replied when I responded.

                If 1 scholar is enough to prove something for you, does 2 disprove it?

                Have you established consensus of scholars are on your side?

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                  If 1 scholar is enough to prove something for you, does 2 disprove it?

                  Does a butterfly flapping it’s wings in Japan cause a hurricane in the Caribbean?

                  Have you established consensus of scholars are on your side?

                  Have you established a consensus of scholars are on your side?

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                    You clearly didn’t understand the question or chose to dismiss it, but that’s fine.

                    And currently, from what I can tell, yes, consensus is on my side I will however remain vigilant in examining whether that holds true.