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It’s funny how this isn’t even a joke
I dunno dude that sounds pretty hamas
Is hamas the Hebrew word for haram?
Excuse me sir do you have any idea how Hamas you were driving just now?
This engine is Hamas
Is hamas woke? According to some people, probably.
This post is Hamas
Your comment is Hamas
Hamas!
We are all Hamas on this blessed day
speak for yourself.
I am all Hamas on this blessed day
*cursed day
don’t tempt me
Thx hamassman
I saw this happen on Reddit and was like are these bots or real people …
At this point not sure which is worse.
I’m going to end bibi’s whole career: no u
Evangelicals when I try to explain to them Israel’s crimes against the Palestinian people
They’re called Hamaspitals
That white truck with the red crescent and flashing lights? Hamasbulance.
You are HIV hamas
honestly, at this point, i don’t have the capacity to care anymore. You wanna take about the delicate nuances of the israel-hamas conflict? Absolutely, i love that kind of shit.
You wanna debate whether this is good/bad? Good luck.
Good/bad is the wrong aproach. What ppl this days lack is the sense of chivalry. If you see someone that was right in an argument beating the shit out of the guy that was wrong, you as a human being still should intervene to stop the onslaught.
It’s 10k civilian deaths vs 500 civilian deaths. May be time to stop the massacre?
good bad is definitely the wrong approach. Like i said i love talking about the intricacies of these conflicts, because they’re fun, but anytime someone pulls out stats or numbers that are/aren’t verified my eyes just glaze over because even if it’s true (from my perspective) i dont even know if israel is a real place, i’ve never been there. It could all be a lie. Is that likely? No, of course not, chances are it IS a real place, but the fact of the matter still stays the same. How relevant is it to me? Not very. Humans dying is bad, but humans die constantly, all over the place, for tons of different reasons, war is unfortunately one of the worse ways to go out, but it’s just one of the ways.
is israel doing/has done bad things over the conflict? Absolutely. I’m not going to say they didn’t. Have hamas also probably done bad things? Probably. Can i confirm either on of those things? Nope. What can i do then? Simple, i can try to understand the intricacies of the situation as best as possible so that way i can have an informed and realistic understanding of the situation. Does that mean war is suddenly good? No, obviously not, is it more productive and better than simply stating “war bad, stop doing war” Probably.
There are a lot of people defending israel in this because hamas is “a terrorist group” and “want to kill all jews” Is any of that true? No clue, and frankly i don’t really give a shit. There are a lot of people defending palestine because “they’re the small guy” “they’re being oppressed” “israel is a militaristic ruler” etc, etc. etc… I could go on for hours honestly. Again, do i care? Not really. There is a lot of contradictory, conflicting (both true and untrue) information on both sides. It’s not a simple conflict, there is no simple resolution.
Whats the ideal outcome? Israel and palestine co-exist peacefully, simultaneously somehow. Anything other than that is messy and bound to let the same thing happen again in the future.
It’s 10k civilian deaths vs 500 civilian deaths. May be time to stop the massacre?
what does this statement mean? I dont know. The way i look at it is that 15000 people have died, and there are people out here who think the single most important factor in this whole conflict is “but, more people on this side, have died than on this side” that’s terrible, did we ever stop for a second to consider that maybe war is just bad. There is no good outcome here, people die no matter what happens, the best thing we can do is to PREVENT war. Not wait for it to happen. To me it really seems like nobody cares about the actual people dying, or all the bad things happening, it seems like people care about which side deserves it, and which side unfairly procured it. Which like i’ve said multiple times, is a very interesting discussion. We’re talking about war, not about the history, logistics, and complications behind it. We should be talking about what is happening, rather than what we care about is happening.
We’re sitting here justifying the single worst human invention, in the name of posterity and justice. Rather than actually just taking the problem at face value, and seeing it for what it is, people killing each other, because we can’t get along. That’s the true problem here.
(wall of text ik, i just have a lot of thoughts about a lot of things, and not enough time to write them down.)
Of course many things are relative, still if we do not try to discuss specific terms there will never be human understanding.
Is Israel imaginary? Me as living in Finland, I could still not verify.
Is there a massive weapon industry in U.S: and Nato countries? Well, that you can believe it. Every bullet sold is documented by multiple entities.
Is there a specific count of bullets, assault rifles, grenades, rocket launchers, war drones, missiles, ground mines, military vehicles and bombs sold to Israel by U.S. and Nato? Yes.
Is military funding accounted? Yes.
If something is official, you can trust it is real.
On the other hand Iran smugles armament to Hamas. That amount cannot compete with the official Nato supply. It’s just industrially and logistically impossible.
A gun vs knife situations consequence is that a ‘war,’ as you call it became a genocide.
If we do not try to specify terms, ww2 jews could also be just ‘war casualties’.
specific terms
i feel like people dying and war actively happening is specific enough tbh.
Is there a specific count of bullets, assault rifles, grenades, rocket launchers, war drones, missiles, ground mines, military vehicles and bombs sold to Israel by U.S. and Nato? Yes.
yeah, that’s the just the reality of being a military industrial complex, and the other party being cash equipped to the point of being able to afford it. Not to mention all the other benefits that im sure military analysts would love to bring up but whatever.
If something is official, you can trust it is real.
you have to be careful with this one, propaganda is official, doesn’t mean it’s real, or accurate, Russia knows this all too well. Israel does as well, same for the US.
A gun vs knife situations consequence is that a ‘war,’ as you call it became a genocide.
or what mil nerds like to refer to as “asymmetric warfare” which is what the US military industrial complex specializes in. Anybody fighting against a NATO supplied entity is just going to have a bad time, especially if they have superior technology.
If we do not try to specify terms, ww2 jews could also be just ‘war casualties’.
I mean yeah, if you ignore the entire reason why the war started, the jewish deaths are just a war casuality. But i guess actually starting at the beginning here, where the pre-text is riddled with antisemitic, fascistic rhetoric. I mean you’d have to be blind or illiterate to somehow miss that small part of it. This is quite literally missing the forest for the trees. This is something that i iterated on in my last post.
The sheer inability to understand the consequences of an action until its results have been viewed is a problem within it’s own right. By that logic ww2 was only bad once it was over. Fascism is only bad once it starts killing people for no particular reason. War is bad only when it unjustly kills people. Fraud is bad only when it hurts rich people. You see what im getting at here?
I see where you are trying to get with that argumentation based on causality: justification. Thus, back to good/bad.
Still, I disagree on your reasoning for the condemn of ww2 atrocities. From the very beginning german nationalists had a big point against jew ownership and business monopoly. It’s not for nothing that a majority democratically elected the to-be dictator Hitler. It’s the way Nazi party implemented the ‘fix’ and the indifference of the rest of the germans that made up the genocide.
Similarly you repeatedly dismiss a key historical event in the palestinian conflict beginning. The brittish gave palestinian land to jews. Land which housed the majority of the palestinians at the day. How can you expect that to work in any case? Even if Hamas didn’t exist palestinians would have the right to reclaim own land and conflict would be unevitable.
Let’s forget the good/bad reasoning and face the issue from it’s root, which is a mere territorial dispute.
From the very beginning german nationalists had a big point against jew ownership and business monopoly. It’s not for nothing that a majority democratically elected the to-be dictator Hitler. It’s the way Nazi party implemented the ‘fix’ and the indifference of the rest of the germans that made up the genocide.
im not really sure what the point here is other than stating basic facts, so i’ll leave it there.
Similarly you repeatedly dismiss a key historical event in the palestinian conflict beginning. The brittish gave palestinian land to jews. Land which housed the majority of the palestinians at the day. How can you expect that to work in any case? Even if Hamas didn’t exist palestinians would have the right to reclaim own land and conflict would be unevitable.
I haven’t done that a single time, please give me an example of one instance where i dismissed the balfour declaration. (as far as i am concerned you are literally pulling this out of your ass) But since you don’t seem to like doing history correctly, now is the point that would be the most optimal to mention that israel/palestine goes all the way back to biblical roots. It’s referred to as both israel and palestine. That’s kind of where the british got the idea from. And that’s kind of sort of why palestine even existed. If you want my opinion on it, i think they were likely the same land, and through thousands of years of humanity, translation, and just general shenanigans. It changed over time. There is no correct answer as to who is the original owner of that land. Unless you’re willing to take religious doctrine at its word, or completely ignore it i suppose, you are given a wealth of options in that regard.
Let’s forget the good/bad reasoning and face the issue from it’s root, which is a mere territorial dispute.
whats with the good/bad shit? I keep bringing up nuanced points, to which you seem to be either confused about, or misunderstanding. And im not sure which. Unless you’re referring to my opinions on people dying, in which case that’s irrelevant. I have not once, at any point throughout this thread, said that either israel, or palestine are the good/bad guys here, which is what my original point was.
Although i suppose you might be trying to engage in satire here, which would be rather amusing. Though ineffectual.
I was really enjoying this debate, which enriched me too until you lost ur cool. Sad.
Peace.
I like Ham and I like Ass, I dont know why everyone’s so upset.
Neither is kosher.
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Using the wrong version of “its” is pretty hamas there, bro.
What are you, a grammar Hamas?
Petition to change “grammar nazi” to “gramas”
How to make the enemy commit war crimes and get everyone on your side during wartime 101: Use hospitals/schools as militaty base.
How to commit war crimes: call everything a military base and don’t offer any evidence for multiple months. Then get debunked.
Another highlight for the “most important” lines:
The claims were remarkably specific — that five hospital buildings were directly involved in Hamas activities; that the buildings sat atop underground tunnels that were used by militants to direct rocket attacks and command fighters; and that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards. The assertions were backed by “concrete evidence,” Israel Defense Forces spokesman Daniel Hagari said as he laid out the case in an Oct. 27 briefing.
The Post’s analysis shows:
- The rooms connected to the tunnel network discovered by IDF troops showed no immediate evidence of military use by Hamas.
- None of the five hospital buildings identified by Hagari appeared to be connected to the tunnel network.
- There is no evidence that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards.
Even if enemy combatants were truly hiding in the hospitals: you don’t just drop bombs on it. You go in with ground forces and secure it while minimizing civilian casualties.
I saw an estimate of Hamas being 20-25k people. And they are operating in an area with 2M people.
So few people against so many.
Looks very much like there is 2M Hamas.
Because if 2M people would want to stop the 25k terrorists they could do it with less casualties than what Hamas claims Israel is inflicting while fighting the terrorists.
It keeps turning out that everything they say is true. Hell, even Amnesty has an article from 2015 saying they used hospitals for torture. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
Whoa crazy an empty disused office being used for a single offense 10 years ago. This is definite proof that the entire hospital is a Hamas command center.
Now show me that massive Hamas base under Al-Shifa that the IDF actually claimed existed
This War Of Mine?
Better bomb some civilians, snipe some little girls, ruin infrastructure, stop ambulances, and flood the sewers so those Palestinian scu… I mean Hamas, can learn their place… There, justified.
When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.
The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.
HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023
Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.
While we’re on the subject, let’s look at how the IDF uses Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)
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No it doesn’t and I’m not pro-Stalin either. Do you think human rights orgs are pro Hamas or something? Even if the human shields argument was true it doesn’t justify bombing civilians (that are mostly women and children). Hamas has done war crimes and deserve to be prosecuted for them same as every Israeli official who’s done war crimes. More terrorism against the Palestinian people will only increase support for armed militia groups. Ending the apartheid by giving Palestinians human rights and improving the QoL is how you take away any support for those kind of armed groups.
The only way to replace apartheid is with a democratic system.
The West Bank is like an open-air prison where you send petty criminals who are allowed more time to go outside and work outside. And there’s no harsh regime inside but it’s still a prison. Even the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, if he moves from Area B to C, he needs the Israelis to open the gate for him. And that’s for me very symbolic, the fact that the president cannot move without the Israeli jailer opening the cage.
There is, of course, a Palestinian response all the time to this. Palestinians are not passive and they don’t accept it. We saw the first Intifada and the second Intifada, and perhaps we will see a third Intifada. The Israelis say to the Palestinians, in a prison management mentality, that if you resist we will take away all your privileges, like we do in prison. You won’t be able to work outside. You won’t be able to move freely, and you will be punished collectively. This is the kind of the punitive side of it, collective punishment as retaliation.
INTERVIEW: Ilan Pappé: How Israel turned Palestine into the biggest prison on earth
Israel controls all aspects of movement, Water, Air space, Sea access, borders, Imports (food and building supplies), Labor exploitation, and maintain the apartheid through violence
A prison, also known as a jail, gaol, penitentiary, detention center, correction center, correctional facility, or remand center, is a facility where people are confined against their will and denied a variety of freedoms under the authority of the state, generally as punishment for various crimes. Authorities most commonly use prisons within a criminal-justice system: people charged with crimes may be imprisoned until their trial; those who have pled or been found guilty of crimes at trial may be sentenced to a specified period of imprisonment.
It is absolutely an open air prison, except you get in just by being born inside the OPTs with the only court you’ll ever see being a military court where even children can be taken from their families indefinitely with administrative detention
git em
Woah there nice argument buddy. The username is kinda funny so everything he says must be wrong! Ad hominem much?
Ad haminas
Welcome to Hamas
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Bad guys being used as an excuse by other bad guys to commit atrocities.
Yeah, only an idiot would think the IDF are shooting civilians for no good reason. It’s OBVIOUSLY because they’re all hamas. All of them, everywhere.
On that same token, the “girl” with the narrow hips who struck my daughter out in softball is OBVIOUSLY trans, Orson Welles is OBVIOUSLY a communist and Iraq OBVIOUSLY has nukes.
