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Note: “6 weeks” counts from last-period-date, so it means as little as two weeks since conception, which is before many women realize they are pregnant
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The fact it’s not based on conception date is so telling. Took 5 weeks since conception for morning sickness to trigger and suspect pregnancy, and another couple weeks to book the appointment and do the abortion.
How are they even gonna enforce that date lol. Buy data from period tracking apps?
Yep
Medical providers backdate pregnancies to the date of suspected conception – which is less precise than many realize.
This is a standard practice in how it’s done. Theoretically, a medical provider could fudge the date a bit. That’s high risk for them, though.
Right so if we are to believe the comment in the OP (I skimmed the article but didn’t see anything to support it), the law ignores conception date. So if you get pregnant three weeks after your period and it takes you another three weeks to even notice you’re pregnant, it’s already too late to abort. Doctor fudging the conception date doesn’t matter, you have to lie about period date.
The conception date is based on the date of last period. That’s the actual medical practice, generally, so in practice these are the same official date. I’m not sure if this excludes times the couple asserts an exact date of conception, though clearly it does in the case of this law.
Yes, you likely could lie/feign ignorance about that date. Hopefully everyone with a uterus will be wise enough to do so. But if you claim your last period was yesterday, it does make your claim suspect. Again, hopefully any doctor will pretend nothing is amiss in these cases.
Oh that’s interesting. This was years ago but I thought the doctor I used guessed the age based on size/features seen in the scan.
Fetal development is not really that consistent, to guess it down to a week or two based on physical appearance. Anything from 37 to 42 weeks is considered a “normal” pregnancy length. That means someone oversimplifying things could say any milestone might be +/- a couple of weeks. Edge cases might move the length of an otherwise-healthy pregnancy down or up an entire month.
Even implantation isn’t that consistent. I’ve heard that sperm can linger for something like 5 days before implantation occurs. The whole middle-school health class version where the sperm swim up and race to the egg is kind of total nonsense.
Sperm can linger for 5d to fertilize. Implantation of the embryo is a separate process.
but Voters Will Get to Weigh In
Sorta like Florida voters voted to have recreational cannabis but the gov’t stepped in and said “Nuh uh!”? As if Florida voters actually have any real say-so.
Or like when Floridans voted to allow anyone who finished their prison sentence to be allowed to vote again, and FL gov said “how about we implement a poll tax instead?”
TIL about Florida’s Amendment 4 and SB 7066. Ouch. Y’all doing okay?
I don’t live there anymore, but I was pretty pissed when they circumvented what we voted for. (It would have added a ton of dem votes, and probably pushed it to a solid blue state, which is why I guess they needed to do anything to stop it)
Holy fuck, I didn’t realize how many voters this affected.
In Florida about 1.6 million people are disenfranchised because of a current or previous felony conviction, over 10% of the voting age citizens, including the 774,000 disenfranchised only because of outstanding financial obligations.
It just gets worse the more you read.
We’re definitely not. Please send help.
- Florida-man.
The amendment for recreational pot is going on the ballot this November. The petition was shot down twice, once for the wording on the ballot and the second time for not “securing enough signatures”. This time it passed. The first vote for medical failed to get a super majority but the second round passed. No one in Florida has had a chance to vote on recreational pot in the past as far as I can find/remember.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s frustrating bullshit that we’ve had to fight it twice to get it on the ballot. But to say we’ve already voted for (and passed) it twice is verifiably false
If abortion access is going to be on the ballot hopefully dems can make some serious hay and get out the vote.
With such a short window, I don’t really understand why have a window at all. It betrays the capricious and intentional cruelty of the antichoice movement.
Of course I don’t understand the mindset of these people to begin with. Any exceptions being permissible – even one which is designed to save a life from a pregnancy complication – undermines the premise that the fetus has an inviolable right to life. If you permit any exceptions at all, it means you do believe that right to life is contingent on external factors… and if that’s the case, what are we even talking about? If decisions can be made about the fetus’s life that it has no say or stake in, then it clearly has no intrinsic right to that life.
These people (mostly) don’t believe in inviolable right to life. They clearly do not believe in the right to autonomy over one’s own body. Apparently there’s no right to privacy or self-determination in your medical care, either. What the fuck do they believe in? Just some arbitrary interpretation of an ancient, committee-written book that condones slavery, rape, and murder.
The idea is to pretend it’s not a full ban, when it in fact is.
Florida just got a lot more expensive for the Republican party.
I have to admit that the court allowed it to stay on the ballot but I assume their intention is to get the GOP fanboys to the polls to vote it down. The shitbags up in Tallahassee have no problem denying the will of the people when it doesn’t coincide with their own.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But in a separate decision released at the same time, the justices allowed Florida voters to decide this fall whether to expand abortion access.
The court ruled 4 to 3 that a proposed constitutional amendment that would guarantee the right to abortion “before viability,” usually around 24 weeks, could go on the November ballot.
In paving the way for the six-week ban, the court cemented the rapid transformation of Florida, once a destination for women seeking abortions in the American South, into a place with restrictive policies akin to those in surrounding states.
But allowing the ballot measure gave supporters of abortion rights a chance to continue their national campaign to preserve access to the procedure by giving voters the opportunity to directly weigh in on the issue.
Ballot measures in favor of abortion rights have already succeeded in seven states, including Kansas, Ohio and Michigan.
Historically, many women from Southern states with stricter bans have traveled to Florida to get abortions.
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