• Isoprenoid@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    2 months ago

    You have made the assertion, thus you have the burden of proof.

    “what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence” QED

      • Isoprenoid@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        I wasn’t arguing for the existence of god.

        Let me break this down:

        • “There is a god.” --> Burden of proof
        • “There is no god.” --> Burden of proof
        • “Hey, man. I don’t know.” —> No burden of proof
        • Communist@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          The second one is wrong, there is no god is not a claim that requires evidence in the same way there are no fairies in my fridge doesn’t require evidence

          • Isoprenoid@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            2 months ago

            Negative claims require evidence.

            Otherwise a safety engineer can go to a regulator and say “There are no structural issues with this building.” He is claiming there are no issues, he needs to back that up with evidence.

            Your Jedi mind tricks won’t work on me. 😜

            • Communist@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              2 months ago

              That’s making a positive claim about a negative outcome. “There is enough evidence to be confident there aren’t structural problems” is what they’re really saying.

              This doesn’t work for god because there’s nothing to check, there’s never been any evidence for god, but there’s been plenty of evidence for structural issues existing.

                • Communist@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  In that instance, the claim is “There is evidence of X problem”

                  They then provided the evidence of that problem and were ignored, the burden of proof was on the person making the claim that there was a problem, and there was a problem, they provided proof, and were ignored.

                  This has nothing in common with the previous scenario.