It’s all fucked.

Russia fucks around until someone deems them worthy of finding out. Sure, it seems fun when U.S. pilots are cranking up the AC/DC and doing their hero walk on the way to wipe every single Russian airbase and fuel depot off the map, but then half of the west’s water systems, electrical grids, and networking infrastructure gets hacked and severely damaged/bricked. Russia gets hacked and grinds to a standstill. China takes advantage of the chaos and invades Taiwan. The U.S. bombs the chip fabs in Taiwan into powder, and anti-satellite operations trigger the Kessler syndrome. Maybe some of the other regional conflicts pop off, too.

The bright side is that assuming no nukes fly, we’ll see earth’s habitability improve for a while, once people starve and consumption/ability to produce goes way down.

not sure if this is sarcasm

Yeah, they’ve proved that to everyone who has succumbed to constant Russian propaganda.

He says in defence of the country which formerly proclaimed to have the second best army in the world, but also

• struggles to complete its three day adventure in Ukraine for more than two years now,
• has to hide its navy,
• lost most of its active aviation, tanks and APCs, and
• (my personal favourite) has to resort sending troops into battle in Chinese golf carts as transport options seem to run.

But the West is a laughing stock.

Dang. Can I get some of the shit you are on?

Funny how they can do that without NATO being involved at all beyond some member states providing weapons and training. The biggest damage NATO has suffered so far is from second hand embarrassment.

The amount of next level bending over Putin have been forced to do for Xi the last two years… and just to destabilize the world… Oh my. The pricetag on that one…

Long after the situation is stabilized, Russia will still be paying to China for the help they got.

I’m not so sure NATO wants to play directly into Putin’s anti-West narrative.

Also why would anybody get nuked lol

for every sixth country he conquers, he’ll get a genocide “free-pass”.

The fine print will read: may be used on past genocides to obtain this card.

Well, nobody wins in that scenario

“Stalin was an amateur. 28 million, here we come!” --putin, probably

Your argument has a strong essential basis for validity.

And likely the US would eventually intervene once both sides had slugged it out for a while, ensuring they have a seriously compromised enemy and seriously dependent allies…and enrich themselves in the process.

I’ve had to point this out to people a few it’s amazing how Americans think that the US is the only country in the world with any real military might.

Even without the United States NATO still has two nuclear powers. A military that would rival that of the US on its own. Access to space assets such as spy satellites, gps systems, and communication systems. Extensive bioweapons research labs, if they wanted to go that route (although realistically they would be better utilized to research bio defenses). And more money than the adversary. They also have a population that on the whole seem to be more on board with the politicians then not (relatively speaking).

I’m sure if there was a war, the French would go on strike about it, but they always do that.

All the United States brings to the table is just more people and more stuff. I’m not saying that wouldn’t be useful to have access to it, but losing it wouldn’t be as devastating as some Americans seem to think.

Even if the US sat on the sidelines, the European parts of NATO would still be formidable.

You mean the parts of Europe that has been taken hostage by Orban?