• GiddyGap@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    28
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 month ago

    Fair enough. But running away stomping and screaming never helped anyone. This is a marathon, not a sprint. It’s incremental change. Not voting or voting for Trump will never bring about the change they are looking for.

    • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      1 month ago

      Fair enough. But running away stomping and screaming never helped anyone. This is a marathon, not a sprint. It’s incremental change. Not voting or voting for Trump will never bring about the change they are looking for.

      Precisely why conservatives are winning. They have been working towards their goals for 40+ years and they don’t give up. They vote.

      • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 month ago

        Definitely. Conservatives are seeing huge victories that have been in the making for decades, even while in minority. The overturning of Roe being the biggest of them all. They are patient and they make sure to vote every time. It’s part of the conservative culture. The liberal voting culture is the opposite. It’s flailing and inconsistent, and much of the constituency can’t even be bothered to show up on election day. There may be more Democratic leaning voters overall, but that doesn’t matter when they don’t show up to vote.

        • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 month ago

          yeah and if i point this out to the 20 something leftist demo, instead of being like ‘oh yeah they win because they vote, maybe we should vote too’ they just call me facist or boring or whatever insult. the left is pathetic in terms of messaging and aligning interest groups, and general has no coherent or consistent belief structure.

          i mean i used to be more leftist myself, but god it’s pathetic. i wish the left had the conviction and consistency of the right, then they’d actaully achieve something… like they did in the 60s… but you know that’s ‘history’ and the left is totally allergic to that concept as well because it’s ‘colonialism and oppression’

          • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 month ago

            I’m the opposite. Used to be center-right, now I’m truly left. Trump and Covid really made me realize that these people are absolutely out there. There’s no reasoning with them. It’s all ideology, zero common sense. But they do vote consistently. That is for sure.

    • riodoro1@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      26
      ·
      1 month ago

      The only problem is that it’s an incremental change for the worse. No matter which geriatric asshole you vote for.

      • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        18
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 month ago

        It’s not. The incremental change is vastly different with Biden and Trump. Biden has made tons of big and small changes that no one remembers because all the focus is on Gaza and Ukraine and Trump.

      • JonEFive@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        1 month ago

        This is completely tone deaf to the things that Biden HAS been able to accomplish. I’d encourage you to research his presidency before you accept and parrot all of the bad things you hear.

        To name just a few:

        • Unprecedented student loan debt relief
        • Improvements to Medicare including the ability to negotiate drug prices and capping prices of certain medications like insulin
        • Extremely low unemployment, just a few short years after the pandemic
        • Pardoning of minor federal marijuana convictions and initiated the process of having marijuana rescheduled
        • A push to make birth control pills available OTC without a prescription in the wake of conservative attacks on reproductive health rights
        • Renewed focus on infrastructure spending
        • Policies friendly to green energy

        And that’s not mentioning the things that could have happened were it not for constant obstruction of Republicans - specifically, efforts to better protect our borders and efforts to curb gun violence.

        The president is not a king or autocrat no matter how much Trump and Republicans might disagree. His policy decisions must be focused in order to make any progress at all. He can’t simply wave his hand and make everything a magical utopia.

        So before you continue complaining about the lack of progress, I implore you: take ten minutes to do some Google searches about the things that are important to you and the reasons why more progress is not being made. You might be surprised at weary you learn.

        It is critically important that we do not give up ground and backslide because the conservative media machine is so powerful that it makes it seem like nothing good has happened.

        • Xanis@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 month ago

          That individual likely isn’t going to reply. Assume maliciousness before ignorance. That said, please keep replying like this. We don’t know how big our impacts are though hopefully we are able to change a mind and correct the bad narrative trying to take hold.