• Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world
    182·
    11 days ago

    Either it was all white people, or the white people and black people wouldn’t sit together. I don’t know which is worse.

    • finley@lemm.eeEnglish
      1844·
      11 days ago

      The worse one is when black folx can’t even get into their own church because a flock of white fascists took it over.

      • mean_bean279@lemmy.worldEnglish
        97·
        11 days ago

        If I recall from the articles about this event. The pastor, who is black, invited Trump. In a funny twist as well, the former mayor of Detroit (also black) was there to speak about how great Trump is. Which is fine, except that Trump pardoned him at the end of his presidency because the man was convicted and guilty of: Obstruction of justice (x2), assault of a police officer, racketeering, tax evasion, extortion, mail fraud.

        However even at the event that Kilpatrick was attending with Trump, while singing his praises, didn’t endorse him.

        • finley@lemm.eeEnglish
          23·
          11 days ago

          Leave it to a religious leader and the Mayor of Ballmer to overlook the needs of their audience by pandering to fascists…

          When has it been any different?

        • Maeve@kbin.earth
          36·
          11 days ago

          A lot of anti-abortion black people (single issue voters) and wealthy capitalist/Democrats are the party of Dr King voters support him. The venn diagram overlap would be money.

    • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      10 days ago

      The normal parishioners wouldn’t come because of the Trump attendance so his faithful filled out the crowd (meaning, were the entire crowd) to help feed his misrepresentation of the event. The church was so full. So full. And everyone there loved me, I can tell you that.

      (Not a quote, just a likely facsimile.)

      Regardless, I’m white and I would refuse to sit among a crowd of carpetbagging Trumpers who showed up to displace me from my own church (if I went to church), I sure wouldn’t do so if I were black.

  • bstix@feddit.dk
    1021·
    11 days ago

    Isn’t it normal etiquette to take off the hat in a church?

    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
      115·
      11 days ago

      None of the people wearing a hat in that picture would be able to spell etiquette without a K. They love their Ks.

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      14·
      11 days ago

      not really

      Traditionally, men should remove their hats during prayers or hymns, whereas women might choose to keep their decorative hats on. However, this practice can vary greatly depending on the denomination and local customs. Observing other attendees and being aware of the norms can help you navigate this aspect with grace. src

      given this wasn’t even a service, but just using the space as a venue, i will say that the hats are the least disgusting thing happening in the image

      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
        8·
        11 days ago

        Not if the hat wearer bears the mark of the devil on their forehead

        We don’t need to see the MAGA mark on their forehead to know its there. The hat on top of it already says MAGA.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        3·
        10 days ago

        I have no love for his staff, but why is sitting on a couch with your shoes off bad, especially in a high-stress environment?

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            2·
            10 days ago

            That would be a different couch from the ones I’ve ever owned.

            Sitting sideways on a couch reading a book is quite comfortable and plenty of people (myself included) don’t wear shoes or socks at home, especially in the summer.

        • ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world
          1·
          10 days ago

          Context. I think some etiquette is ok. An overemphasis on it is not. E.g. while you and I don’t care about it in our own homes, I wouldn’t encourage it where a level of decorum is required, and the oval office is one such place. How would they feel if Lavrov did the same? If they can’t respect the office they claim to hold dear, why should others?

    • outer_spec@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      22·
      10 days ago

      99% of “normal etiquette” is just a bunch of outdated rules that make no sense. If even the “return to tradition” crowd is starting to feel comfortable wearing hats to church, it may be a sign that nature is healing.

      • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
        1·
        10 days ago

        I still see the tradition of men not wearing hats in church. However the women having to wear hats thing is gradually fading. Basically everyone who does it chooses to as a form of obedience

  • Shadehawk@lemm.eeEnglish
    871·
    10 days ago

    I’m sorry but should a church housing a political rally and supporting a political figure not be all sorts of illegal if theyre tax exempt?

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      58·
      10 days ago

      The claim was that it was a roundtable discussion that Trump was a part of.

      But of course, every Trump public appearance is a Trump rally.

      • Asafum@feddit.nl
        23·
        10 days ago

        A claim that isn’t true and made knowingly is called a lie.

        But also any time his lips move and words are produced, they are also called lies.

        • beebarfbadger@lemmy.world
          3·
          9 days ago

          I’m sure there are exceptions for when you have to cover up your extramarital affairs with pornstars, when you reeeeeeally wanna keep some top-secret documents for personal use, when you make your money by defrauding others or just feel like keeping people in permanent fear so that they turn to you for salvation. After all, the constitution, which he has very much read, says that he can do absolutely everything with absolute impunity.

        • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
          1·
          9 days ago

          Don’t bear false witness covers some of it, and I’m sure there is some snippet of text in the outdated testament that can be taken out of context to cover the rest.

  • downpunxx@fedia.io
    754·
    11 days ago

    the fact this isn’t front page photo in every newspaper in the country tells you precisely how much the media wants the horserace, and not the best outcome for democracy. the fact trump keeps saying there’s “88,000” missing illegal aliens during bidens admin so he can keep repeating the number 88 over and over and over again, and THAT is not front page news how the presumptive Republican nominee for President is coding neo nazi slogans into his speeches says everything about how much the media wants the horserace, and not the best outcome for the democracy,

    there are some righteous journalists, there are some righteous media outlets, but they are too few and far between to drown out the incessant “both side” fucking nonsense which will see fascists come to power, and end their freedom of the press. the owners, and shareholders of these media outlets trade on the immediate eyeballs they can leverage into short advertising revenue

    once the fascists take power and start curtailing these media companies rights to free press, they’ll sell out, or simply abandon them, to go hide behind their walled communities, safe from the ruin they will have facilitated in the ruination our best effort egalitarian secular democracy

    and so it goes

    • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
      14·
      11 days ago

      TBH the less I hear about Trump aside from his prison sentence, the better. He’s not POTUS, there are real issues to talk about.

    • flerp@lemm.ee
      6·
      11 days ago

      What media companies are you talking about? You mention there are some righteous ones but they’re too few and far between. All of the other ones are owned by like 5 right wing billionaires. Those few and far between ones are all we have.

    • SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      226·
      11 days ago

      It’s pretty interesting how you somehow turned this into a both sides hyperbole.

      So you go on this rant about how mainstream media has assisted the slide into fascism, how Democrats will be the savior or free speech and ethical journalism.

      I seem to have missed what the DNC have done to fight back against this slide into fascism for the past 50 years. In fact they actively helped Trump get elected because he’d be easier to beat.

      Can you explain what Democratic leaderships plan is to right the list and get this country functioning again?

      • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
        14·
        11 days ago

        How do you mentally take rage about the current state of journalism actively ignoring and encouraging Republicans bad behavior to mean “both sides”?

      • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
        10·
        11 days ago

        And here you come, saying they are both bad and we shouldn’t concentrate on Trump and instead “what about the democrats!”

  • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    53·
    11 days ago

    the reporting on this could be better which sucks because it’s obvious it’s going to be memeified for months now

    was this actually a church sponsored event or was it just being hosted in the building as a venue?

    not coming at this with any assumptions or narratives i just wish there was more reliable original data than some twitter links i can’t look at without an account :/

    • YerbaYerba@lemm.ee
      25·
      11 days ago

      The pastor agreed to it after being contacted by the trump campaign. here with the pastor’s explanation

      • Shadehawk@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        10 days ago

        It’s still pretty damned telling no black people came to their own church to hear him talk.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        11·
        11 days ago

        ugh bless you thanks so much

        edit, my take: wow that pastor seems like an upstanding guy and i would be nervous for his decision if i didn’t have hindsight and see it played out in a way that clearly only showed his guest’s hypocrisy.

  • lurch@sh.itjust.works
    493·
    11 days ago

    I’m doubt the church is real, because I got no reports of Trump instantly burning to ash the moment he set foot in it.

      • wieson@lemmy.world
        94·
        11 days ago

        So you want god to do the work, that you’re supposed to do? Do we live in a democracy or a theocracy?

          • wieson@lemmy.world
            3·
            10 days ago

            It’s meant for both of these statements. Do we expect god to turn trump into ash or is it our job to build a good society?

            • Asafum@feddit.nl
              6·
              10 days ago

              “God helps those who help themselves”

              “God works through us”

              “God chooses imperfect vessels.”

              Sorry officer it wasn’t me who threw gasoline on Trump and lit him on fire. God just works in mysterious ways, ya know?

          • frezik@midwest.social
            2·
            10 days ago

            The implication of GP is that it’s our job to turn Trump to ash (and I think that’s the intended interpretation).

        • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
          4·
          11 days ago

          If the USA is a country that is a democracy, can be answered only by a tentative yes for now. There are too many things wrong with the voting system and disenfranchisement and systemic failures around court appointments for a definitive yes.

          Apart from that, we live in a world where gods don’t exist, but not everyone agrees on that.

  • ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world
    18·
    11 days ago

    He thought it could have been a chance to hear the voice of the marginalized. He apparently hasn’t heard a trump interview or debatr before.