• poVoqA
    7•2 years ago

    As does the Russian propaganda… your point being what exactly?

  • Johnny Mojo
    5•2 years ago

    There are always two sides to every story. Certainly Russia has legitimate greivances such as Ukraine’s proposed entry into NATO and changing economic ties to western Europe, as well as persecution of Russians inside of Ukraine. The war, however, appears to be Russian colonization without respecting recognized borders and the self-determination of a nation.

    • @oblivion_comes@lemmy.ml
      3•2 years ago

      These freaks have been crucifying and burning and torturing people for 8 years. They wanted Surovikin to come in and destroy every power station. Nobody rooting for diplomacy wanted this. More than 82% of Russians support the war now. You amplified the effectiveness of Russian propaganda pretty well yourselves. They have receipts. (:

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
      3•2 years ago

      Or bear with me, both sides are doing exactly the same kind of war propaganda. And if you’re only able to recognize this when looking at the other side then you are most definitely a victim of propaganda.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
          6•2 years ago

          You’re splitting hairs as usual. Russians have literally been called orcs by the west. The prevailing narrative for why the war started is that Russians are blood thirsty orcs who attacked Ukraine completely unprovoked and can’t be reasoned with. Hence negotiations are not possible.

          • Johnny Mojo
            4•2 years ago

            The reason that negotiations will not happen is that Russia has insisted that Ukraine cede occupied territory.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
              1•2 years ago

              Negotiations will not happen because US and UK block them. Ukraine and Russia almost reached a settlement back in April and Bojo flew to Kiev to stop them. Ukraine would’ve been in a much better place back in April than they are now. Ukraine would’ve been in even better situation if it agreed to neutrality before the war started.

              Ukraine ends up in a worse position every single day that goes by, and unless negotiations happen there won’t be an Ukraine left in the end. Western sponsors of Ukraine don’t care about Ukraine. Loyd Austin has openly admitted that the goal is to weaken Russia, and the west will force Ukraine to fight till the last Ukrainian to do that.

          • @pingveno@lemmy.ml
            4•2 years ago

            And as usual, you’re refusing to see a distinction when there is a significant one. It’s one thing if random people are using rhetoric like “orcs” or “Satanists”. It’s completely different when a leader or their government is using that rhetoric. Putin’s slander is setting the tone for the war. First it was Nazis, now it’s Satanists.

            • Marxism-Fennekinism
              6•2 years ago

              But you know what Western politicians have called Putin the entire Russian ethnicity? “Uncivilized.”

              That’s worse than calling them satanists. Satanists is clearly not meant to be literal. Uncivilized is.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
              3•2 years ago

              If you don’t see how the rhetoric from the white house is setting the tone for the war in the west, I really don’t know what to tell you. Again, the fact that you can easily see one type of propaganda but not the other is very telling.

              • @pingveno@lemmy.ml
                4•2 years ago

                I’m not saying I’m happy with the rhetoric out of the White House 100% of the time. I’m saying it’s a far sight better than the leaders of the Western nations calling Russians literal Satanists.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
                  3•2 years ago

                  I don’t actually see how the packaging affects the message which is that Russia is not a rational actor, that the war was unprovoked, and that negotiations are not possible. The goal of the propaganda is to prolong this conflict. What specific terminology is used to achieve that is entirely irrelevant.