Hello PCMR community!
On July 13th, we asked the community for your opinion if you would like to change the name of this community.
Results of the Survey :
- Yes - 28.1%
- No - 71.9% (winner)
Of the 1,201 responses received, we as a community have democratically decided that we should not change the name from PC Master Race. I am grateful to our community for your input, as this was a difficult topic to navigate together.
If you would like to review the history of this, please check out this post here: https://lemmy.world/post/1430610
We’ll pin this post for some time and then consider adding a bullet into the sidebar for this Community to help stave off further discussions around this topic as the community has already decided collectively.
Kind regards,
The Moderator Team
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EDIT 30-Aug-2023:
Due to some of the recent targeted attacks against Lemmy.world, I noticed that the image I shared with this post was purged from their servers.
Here’s a new screenshot of the results for posterity: https://i.postimg.cc/jqNg5gWx/pcmrsurvey.png
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What should you do if you are unhappy with the results of this survey?
- I understand you are disappointed. This is how democratic decisions work, and is the reality of the situation.
- My opinion here is for you to take a moment to look inward and decide for yourself how you want to proceed.
- If the name of this community bothers you, my recommendation is to do the only thing you can do as a person: make a choice and opt out.
- There are other communities you can join and collaborate in. You can always spin up a new community in the Fediverse, on any instance out there, and create new content to attract users.
- However, if you are okay with accepting that the name of this community will not change, stay with us. We’d love to have you here.
Final notes to remember:
- We are all gamers. We are all united by our varying levels of PC enthusiasm. Let’s stay united in our hobbies, rather than allowing ourselves to become divided. Seems like these days there is so much division all across the world, all across social media, in our news, etc.
- For all the evils out there in the world, this is a safe place for us.
- Every person on this planet out there has a different opinion. Remember to be kind to others, even when no one is watching you.
This is how democratic decisions work
the only thing you can do as a person: make a choice and opt out
This is wrong
A democratic decision doesn’t make it just or moral. You always have a right to protest.
And it’s not just about what you have the “right” to do. You’re capable of moves like maneuvering to take control of its parent instance, starting a new alternative community, lobbying real governments that wield hard power to brutally suppress anyone using a name involving “master race”. Or buy up a bunch of PS5s and give them away to people who are on the fence about whether to get a console or PC.
Not that I want the name to change myself, but don’t try to limit what our opponents can do about it. Who knows, maybe their practice here will give them experience that will help overthrowing other oppressive regimes.
In a democratic government you have the right to protest. Less-so here. At the end of the day the mods have the final say. They could, at any point, dictate extra rules to us and enforce them with bans. We would have no choice but to obey or leave. That’s their choice because they own the community here.
It’s harder to leave a country than it is to leave a Lemmy community. That’s why protests won’t work here. If you disagree with the result of the poll, and by extension the way this community is run, you can always leave with a single click.
Side note: Morality is inherently subjective. Many middle-eastern countries consider women showing off their bodies to be immoral, but in the west it is accepted. Both cultures generally consider their way to be correct.
Also, the purpose of the government is to protect the minority from the majority. Just saying
In theory but since most countries have majority rule voting this is rarely the case.
Things like gay marriage weren’t made legal until most of the country supported it already. Otherwise they’d lose too many votes.
Removed by mod
What you can do is buy a Switch and cry yourself to sleep tonight, knowing you were never truly one of us.
Folks seem to be missing why PCMR is even a thing. It is a tongue in cheek representation of PC users during the console brand fights of PS2/Xbox though PS4/Xbox One. The idea is that PC users sneer down on console users and don’t see the precarious position we are in with our bloated upfront costs to entertainment.
It was never meant for a direct “PC is superior” idea - in fact it’s making the statement that PC users are silly and take themselves too seriously.
And even if it weren’t, jokes are allowed to be edgy.
You can say fuck on the internet, as they say.
And I for one lived through enough of the 90s (all of 'em) that I don’t care for this “must sanitize everything, think of the children” attitude just because it’s suddenly coming from the left.
So yeah, fuck’em, communities are accountable to their members, not random mouthbreathers barging in demanding to be accommodated.
You wouldn’t do it at your clubhouse and you shouldn’t do it here, either.
Something I have really learned about the “sanitize everything, think of the children” types are that the huge majority dose not mean “protect the children” they mean “ban it for everyone, because I don’t like it” and a lot of them don’t even know what they want removed, they just looked at the cover and said “this is bad”
Or worse yet, they do it to establish that they have the authority to decide what you get to read/watch/partake in/enjoy.
It’s a pretty fucking naked powergrab when people like Jack Thompson campaign to get games banned for being obscene or “localizers” censor content because they claim the culture they are localising for finds it objectionable, when really it’s just them, and the target demographic wouldn’t care or worse would actively prefer the original interpretation.
I still remember the utter shitfit some outlets pitched for Dragon’s Crown.
And over the last few years that upfront cost has gone up insanely between everything costing more during COVID and GPU pricing miking gamers first during the crypto craze and now with the AI one.
Though, the insane scalping also shot PS5 prices stupid high too.
You’re right. PS5s were mostly unobtanium for a while. A Youtuber managed to trigger a small riot in NYC offering free PS5s recently.
It was coined by Yahtzee as a way of making fun of PC elitists, we just took the joke and ran with it
Seriously. It was a constant shitting on. Games would skip PC. Console gamers would brag about their Master Chiefs and Kratos. Hell, I remember we were even lower than Mobile Gaming during that era! Fucking Angry Birds and Candy Crush was more important than any PC game!
Then thanks to Steam and mods and indie games, we reign supreme. Companies came over in droves. I, a PC gamer, can finally play Halo and God of War and Sonic. Nintendo still holds out but that’s okay.
So the master race was a joke, but also a rally cry for representation.
Rock paper shotgun used to have a tagline like “PC Gaming since 1873”. I always love that tongue in cheek.
I mean that’s fine but master race is a direct allusion to nazi germany . . . We could stop comparing ourselves to victims of genocide. But im not on reddit anymore so doesn’t affect me at all.
You know that gaming devices aren’t actually ethnic races, right?
We are the master race. Bow before the PC.
I was really tempted to reply to this:
Is that the famous goatse image I see everyone talking about? If not could someone link it so I can finally find out what the big deal is?
I’m glad I stopped myself from impulsively commenting that.
Oh, hello satan!
Hi! Greetings from Florida!
We just want people to enjoy what they have, the best way they can.
Im fine with console gamers too. (I collect consoles, they are great!)
As a PC enthusiast my main gripe has always been the lack of choice over performance options. I want the choice between higher fidelity or higher framerates. The new generations of consoles have included this option, and it is awesome. I also like how newer generation hardware has been able to run the older games it is compatible with at higher fidelity AND higher framerates, bringing the hardware improvements to those older games and increasing their lifespan/playability.
How do PC games not have this choice? The settings are usually way more granular.
What are you on about? I never said or even alluded to PC games not having settings… its pretty clear and obvious that I am talking about consoles when I mention consoles gaining a particular feature.
As a PC enthusiast my main gripe has always been the lack of choice over performance options.
This sentence can pretty easily be read as if you’re saying PC games don’t offer a choice between fidelity and framerates. I get what you’re saying, and it makes sense in context, but I don’t blame someone for thinking you were talking about PC games there.
I absolutely DO blame someone for thinking I am talking about PC games there lol… you would have to 1. Only read that one sentence out my single comment, none of the previous comments or the rest of my comment, 2. Misunderstand the premise of the sentence, and 3. Apply a preconception that I would be talking about PC games.
I dont care that someone misinterpreted what I said, and I dont think it’s a big deal, but if you are going to make a call-out comment on someone you should probably apply reading comprehension well enough to actually understand the comment you are replying to, or else the confusion in the situation is just going to compound. If someone doesnt understand then they should ask for clarification first, like I did when I asked what they were on about, and then I clarified my original comment to clear the confusion.
I dont think your comment is as clear as you think it is. Also he asked what you were on about? Is that not asking for clarification? He then stated that pc settings are more granular implying what he thought was wrong with your comment. You sound like a stuck up cunt In your replies. Get over yourself
Your comment reads like this:
“As a PC gamer I don’t like the lack of ability to choose framerate or resolution like consoles do.”
How the fuck is anyone supposed to read that and not think you’re complaining about not having graphics options?
Your comment is clear as mud, and then you turn into a huge asshole when someone interprets your comment on the only logical way any human with English skills could possibly interpret it.
You’re the worst kind of moron, the one that thinks he’s the smart one.
Good for you, gamers. We programmers have lost the master branch forever.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but as someone who just started programming like 2 years ago, main makes more sense and is a more approachable name to me than master
Going to change to anything that made sense in git, trunk would have made most sense (or something along those lines). Since your project can have many branches… Tree puns!
But changing it after the product was out was a dumb idea regardless of whatever makes sense and what doesn’t. It was blatant pointless virtue signaling that broke some automation and makes a bunch of documentation needlessly confusing (someone just starting out and seeing main but the book they bought to learn says master… Now has to find out why).
Edit: my terrible spelling and grammar
pointless virtue signaling
What do we want? An end to blatant racist murders by police!
What do we get? Rename our git branches!
Why not both?
Cause one of the two is fucking stupid.
The word “Master” isn’t exclusively tied to slavery and to deem it offensive on those grounds pretty much guarantees you’re American and have an understanding of history that makes any actually educated person want to vomit.
A Master branch, like a master copy of a recording, is the reference copy against which others are measured, it’s not a master in the sense of ownership but in the sense of benchmarking, like a master of a craft.
This. And even if it were a matter of control, ‘master’ is a valid terms for that. It is perfectly fine for one piece of technology to utterly control another. It is not fine to do that with humans.
Cutting out the vocabulary just makes it so that when we run into a real situation, we feel like we can’t talk about it.
I will keep vocabulary, and keep history, because that’s how we know the reasons for the ways we’ve changed. Blotting things out of our conceptual vocabulary just makes the next generation susceptible.
They could at least uhh idk not contract with ice or other law enforcement if they wanted to show support
This is the main point to me. All the vocab adjustment is so inconsequential over the hope of actual ends to real effects on racism.
I won’t try to speak for black people, but I would hope/bet they they’d give white people full license to use the N-word if it meant every cop that ever mistreated someone for their race goes behind bars, no more pay disparity by race, or loan/homebuying mistreatment, and no more wealth gap effects in economic progress.
Yeah talking about virtue signalling is a great way to lose me. My company changed hundreds of repos and it wasn’t even a thing, and now they’re changed forever.
The concept of a master branch reaches back to CVS (that’s Concurrent Version System, not a pharmacy), and Subversion. Makes sense it wouldn’t make sense to you. Frankly it doesn’t make sense to
gitat all, but that’s a much larger discussion.The concept of a “master copy” has been around and in widespread use for around a century. It has nothing to do with either software nor social (in)justice. It’s just the thing you photocopy so you don’t end up making photocopies of photocopies. IMO It should make sense to anyone who, you know, has seen and used paper within their lifespan.
Some terminology, like “master and slave” for IO between devices, did always used to make me really uncomfortable whenever I heard it. But the branch name for software was probably fine.
Yeah, LP records have master copy and those have been around for some time (before going away and coming back again)
More than a century
Ever since Hammurabi
We still use SVN at my current job. I hated it at first because I was so used to Git, but then recently I tried git again for a personal project and couldn’t stand it. I can’t even tell how much of my opinions about it are actually fact based, and how much is based on “it’s different than what I’m used to and therefore it’s bad” anymore.
It’s been a long time since I’ve used SVN by aren’t things like branching more difficult? I guess for personal it doesn’t matter.
Not really. If memory serves it’s just
svn checkout branch_nameI have never used Git professionally but I’ll tell you the three biggest pain points when working with SVN that I know Git has proper solutions.
No local commits. On the latest SVN versions there is the concept of “shelves” which just basically puts your changes in a separate folder… as of last I checked it was still in Beta but it works decently.
Common code is a pain in SVN. The only way you can do this is using the externals property which has annoyances that seem to be handled better by Git Subtrees.
Commit squashing doesn’t exist in SVN. Not a problem for me personally but I’ve worked with some people that make me really wish I could squash their commits.
Git is really inefficient for large binary files because of the decentralization. SVN for media and Git for text-based files makes sense. Otherwise— I only used SVN briefly, and then fortunately only for media— But yeah, Git is probably better and more useful overall.
I wouldn’t want to go back to svn. I’ve gotten very used to git’s ability to carve up changes, etc.
Wait, what? When did this even happen (in general)?
Ah, screw this. I’ll probably keep “
master” in anything that currently has it, and the next time I start something I’ll just go back to calling it “trunk” even though I was too young at that point to actually call ittrunk, but it makes the most sense for the organization flow.Oh god, you just gave me flashbacks to SVN. Specifically via Tortoises an, which I thought was the shit.
While convention is not about making sense (does Java class names make any sense?),
mastermakes more sense in this case becausemainimplies that there aresecondarythat’s not related to it. Which really shouldn’t happen in any sane repo.Tbf, ‘master’ can imply the same thing
Master implies hierarchy, all the other branches are derivatives of it. Main/secondary doesn’t have that.
You can sort of compare it to the master recording in audio, or a master key that can open several locks.
I still use it. When GitHub first forced it on everyone, it broke one or two of my scripts - so I ended up just changing the default back to
masterout of spite, and haven’t touched it since.s/master/mainIt took me all of 5 seconds to fix my automations when GitHub changed that. Also “forced” is a bit strong, they didn’t touch existing repos, and it’s only the default branch if you let GitHub initialize the repo (which I never do).
It’s not just about code, though. I have to write complicated procedures for my job (maintenance of large electrical and mechanical systems, not tech) and I was told I couldn’t designate a master procedure. I told that reviewer to pound sand, but if this trend takes hold it will unnecessarily complicate all kinds of work.
I was still a somewhat-clueless high school student at the time, and I had to create new repositories for every assignment in my CS electives. Niche, I know, but someone has to be the edge case…
(They used a dumpster fire home-grown autograder that couldn’t handle concepts like “assignment X is in directory Y.” Or any sort of file structure that deviated from the IntelliJ project layout. Supposedly they didn’t want to pay for a commercial service…)
Good riddance. Main branch master race. And I’m a vim user, so I usually love archaic bullshit
PC Monetary Regret
Oof I felt this one. But at least with my “investment” I can get all the frames on Stardew Valley.
picking parsnips at 9000 fps never felt so good
Listen, accurately emulating shitty 80’s arcade games is a complex and computationally expensive task.
PCRM = Personal Computer Makes Rainbows
Motto: More RBG, more FPS
I don’t regret a single dollar thank you very much
The first PC I purchased with my own money:
- CPU: AMD Duron 1600, tray, $45
- Cache unlock with silver paint, $10
- OC to 2.3GHz
- Zalman 7000, $40
- Motherboard: ECS N2U400, NForce2, $56
- Volt mod via trim pot (no volt control in BIOS), $5
- Memory: second hand mix, $50
- HDD: Maxtor 40GB, second hand, $??
- Case: beige box from my last hand-me-down PC, $0
- PSU: Fortron (FSP), second hand, $20
- GPU: Radeon 9550, $60
- BIOS mod to 9600
- RGB: 🤦🤦♀️🤦♂️
Half-Life 2, Doom 3 go brrr, no regrets
Total: $320 or $530 in today’s money
- CPU: AMD Duron 1600, tray, $45
It’s OK, you can buy all your Steam games via Brazilian grey market resellers and then complain that nobody brings games to PC any more.
Unlike dodgy racial theories, the superiority of PCs over console plebs and iToddlers is an unmutable physical, psychological and metaphysical fact of the universe. No, I am not being ironic.
unmutable
Is that like when you hear something and you realize you can’t mute it? Or did you mean immutable?
How do you know someone is a PC gamer?
You don’t need to ask, and you can’t even mute them. You’ll hear about it soon enough.
Y’all ain’t shit but oligarchs, I’m in the trenches with my dusty PS4 slim.
Eat the rich.
Sorry! I Can’t hear you from my midi playlist running on my N64 homebrew!
The fact this poll was necessary makes me really sad
For all the people that don’t understand where there name of the community came from, here is the video that started it all: https://youtu.be/P0dXtOVi2yo?si=Vlxetg3tmkjWGE70
Oh wow, that video has not aged well. Both in resolution and in content.
I love democracy
Senator Palpatine intensifies
Damn I missed it. Glad most of us (more precisely 71.9% of us) have good taste.
Long live PCMR
My God, this is still going on. I’m still having trouble comprehending whether this is just a very elaborate parody. The term “master race” is not in any way offensive and even if it is (to a small amount of people) they are perfectly within their right to be offended, but not to ban other people from using it.
I hate the 2020s. Can we just go back a couple years, back when meme pages didnt have sticks up their arses?
I mean, people were saying the same thing when it became not cool to call someone a gay slur for fun. Language evolves, and with it, what is acceptable evolves.
I personally am not offended by PC Master Race, but I also don’t give a fuck about the name, so what’s it really gonna hurt rebranding?
Honestly don’t get the attachment. Not like it’s particularly clever or anything.
It’s kind of my take as well, personally don’t really care but that in turn means I also don’t really care for a change.
But it also appears like a lot of people espouse the ‘who cares about this’ with a strong slant of simultaneously defending the status quo. I honestly felt the same when there was the whole master -> main phrasing change in a lot of git repository hosters.
Have not been there to see the discussion, but I have been seeing the shift the last couple years in tech on termonology.
Branch Names: master -> main
Distributed Systems: master/slave -> primary/secondary
Security: Blacklist/Whitelist -> Blocklist/Allowlist
I refuse to go out of my way leave master for main, literally who cares?
Do people take the same issue with a human master of animals and such too?
Just wild that we’re trying to forever burn these words. Languages should be allow to evolve not cut apart and banned
Am I gonna have to refer to my masters degree as a mains degree now? Lol
I kinda noticed the first one, but didn’t think it had anything to do with taking offense. The second one I haven’t noticed at all as well as the third one (the third one is especially bullshit in my opinion).
Probably will take awhile to trickle down if it even sticks on the latter two. My exposure was IETF working groups that write up RFC standards.
And this is a good thing. Those changes are far more clear on their intention and it avoids some dated language that makes some folks uncomfortable. It’s win/win.
So no PCübermachines?
I put together a server once as a favor for someone at a university. This person didn’t know how to change the hostname so I set it to “killbot9000”. For years that whole lab had to log into killbot9000. (I’m sure they could have figured out how to change the name if they tried - I guess they thought it was funny too.)
Anyway my point is that I should have called it “ubermachine” and now I will live with this regret for the rest of my life.
No need for regrets. killbot9000 is a fantastic name.
MEHRZWECKCOMPUTERÜBERMENSCH, bitte.
We need something more humble, like PC god mode
I disagree, I’m not religious
We Are All Gods, friend. Seize the divine.
PC ascension?
In that case, my proposal is IDDQD (showing my damn age with this one)
PC spaghetti monster in the sky race
Wait is this where the name comes from? How did I not ever realize it?
It’s a reference to an old Zero Punctuation video.
Fair enough, and thank you for posting these results. I think this confirms that this is not a community that I am comfortable being associated with.
Take care and I’m sure I will see some of you on the other related instances
Same, plenty of places to talk PC building without glorifying Nazi rhetoric haha. Y’all have fun tho
You know it makes fun of it, doesn’t glorify it right?
Thinking is hard don’t make him strain his brain.
Lol yeah because everyone magically knows the history of your community. And you totally didn’t spend years posting memes ridiculing other platforms.
Pcmr has always been a community of hostile, cringeworthy and unwelcoming edgelords and this poll proves it. You all keep living up to the name itself and not the excuse you pull out keep it
My experience on the platform that should not be named was vastly different from yours.
Sure there are many asshats about, but where on the internet does exist a place without trolls and assholes, honestly?
Most stuff I saw on there was people sharing their problems, their builds, getting help and praise for their work. Hell, I’ve seen so many comments from people that they own a mix of consoles and PC, criticizing people calling consoles as “inferior”.
With respect, I don’t think the generalization that everyone in PCMR is like that does justice to people who are sane and indulging in their hobby, me included.
And you shouldn’t take memes too seriously, I can laugh at them, even if they’re about me 😉
Feel free to leave at your leisure, you won’t be missed.
People like you who come into communities just to demand they change to fit them never are, I wonder why…
Fun fact:
The term “master race” stands for a concept, thought of before Nazis were a thing in the 18th century by french nobility:
Early attempts to claim a racial division between “masters” and “slaves”, or the belief that a nation’s ruling class is biologically superior to its ruled subjects, were made in the 18th century. Henri de Boulainvilliers in his book History of the Ancient Government of France (published posthumously in 1727) tried to prove that in France, the nobility represented the descendants of the old Frankish ruling class, whereas the rest of the population was descended from the subject Gauls.
Same shit, different people, but I guess French people are Nazis now, too /s
Swastikas were also not invented by Nazis and are also still used in other cultures as a sun symbol. Doesn’t mean that is isn’t associated with Nazis in our culture today
I agree with you. My point was, that Nazis adopted many concepts that were crappy before (like race theory) or took existing things and twisted them for their malicious purposes. I didn’t deny the association, but context matters in my opinion.
Look at South Park for example, like the “pyjama day” episode. They make fun of Nazi ideology all the time, sometimes subtle, sometimes very obvious. You can’t just watch the episode, see a reference to Nazism (the uniform, the lingo, etc.) and inherently call them Nazis for using it, when they clearly use it to make fun of it.
I personally see the term PCMR the way the original inventor of the phrase intended: as a way to make fun of the superiority complex that PC gamers often develop.
In Germany we have a term for someone getting a preferred treatment “Sonderbehandlung”. It was used by the Nazis as a euphemism for mass murder. Today the term only means that someone, for example at work gets a raise despite not contributing to the project as much as all other people did or someone getting a rebate on something, just because he knows the cashier. The term is common in normal German lingo and no one uses it as a way to tell that someone should be eliminated.
I understand people from outside the German culture might get upset about the usage of those words, but in my experience most of them didn’t really take into account in which context they are used today. If I ask a hundred people on the street today, where Sonderbehandlung came from, my guess is almost no one knows their previous ties anymore, which I see as yet another thing we took away from the influence of Nazis.
If people blindly want to ban everything that had at one time in history contact with Nazi ideology, you’ll be surprised what you can’t do anymore: drive cars, nuclear power, use thermos flasks, anti-ship missiles, radar, engines in general and many things more. Should we really give that much power to those assholes to hold our technology, culture and language hostage? Don’t get me wrong, I condemn right-wing theories and ideologies, as well as extremism and I don’t want to give Nazis any leeway either.
I sometimes get the feeling people just read a Vice article headline and march on to the internet to start an ideological war against whatever the article mentioned, without really investing time to check the context, if it has eventually been reclaimed and so on. Also every argument seems to start the same way: “GUESS YOU ARE A NAZI THEN!!!111!1”. Not a good way to start a discourse.
I hope I could bring my viewpoint across in a matter that it is understandable and not too erratic 😅
Lmao did you really just “welllll ackshually 🤓” someone on the term master race? You go ahead keep telling yourself “master race” isn’t associated with Nazis dude
Lmao did you really just “welllll ackshually 🤓” someone
Well, actually it’s one of my dirty hobbies, though normally on other topics that are more fun
You go ahead keep telling yourself “master race” isn’t associated with Nazis dude
Please refer to my other answer for clarification https://lemmy.world/comment/2710158
Of course I accept when some people think, that some words can not be reclaimed (some of them can’t), but I hope those people can accept, that other people don’t necessarily share that view without them inherently being Nazis.
I don’t mean “master race” is reclaimable in normal lingo, it is a shitty concept in itself, but the way the term PCMR was originally intended (as a sarcastic poke at the superiority complex of PC gamers) is acceptable use in my opinion, because it goes against the original meaning of a superior race and makes fun of it.
Not meaning you especially, but in general I think completely ignoring context is a bad way to lay fundament to your argumentation and it doesn’t help when some people automatically pull the Nazi accusations out of nowhere (exaggerated example: “you eat meat? You are just as bad as the Nazis, they also took many lives”) like it happens on social media every day. The only thing that gets accomplished with this kind of argument is inciting a trench war between these people and removing any chance of finding a common denominator or another solution that could satisfy both sides.
I don’t think all PCMR members are Nazis or right-wing ideologists by the name PCMR alone and I hope the vast majority doesn’t take that supposed superiority seriously, which would be sad indeed.
Respect the democracy but what a ridiculous topic.
