Mainly in the employment sector. You’re more likely to be hired if you happen to be queer. Likewise, I can take someone to court for calling me a fag or what other slur they blurt out, yet they can’t take me to court if I attack their heterosexuality. That doesn’t seem fair to me.
See that’s what bothers me about pride as well. We rather focus our efforts on something super fucking petty like some boomer saying dumb shit on Twitter instead of, you know, literal death penalties in other countries.
We rather focus our efforts on something super fucking petty like some boomer saying dumb shit on Twitter instead of, you know, literal death penalties in other countries.
well, for one thing many of these “boomers” have the power to change the laws of this country (or to influence social feelings toward queer people) and in their ideal world want the death penalty for queer people; and for another, you’re not going to find people who object to the ongoing oppression of queer people in the US and think it isn’t fucked up that Afghanistan executes gay people or whatever, so… ironically you’re doing the twitter stereotype of making up a person to get mad at here. i don’t think this describes literally any person of significance in the queer community
You’re also making up a person with your “changing the laws” via the power of boomers tweets.
you’ve pretty glaringly misread my post if you think that’s what i said. my point here is–i think pretty unambiguously–that we have no shortage of “boomers” who tweet and are in positions of power to directly influence the law. these are not the mutually exclusive groups you present, or seem to think them as being.
I am in a country facing life and death for my biology. I am also cheering on people in privileged countries like yours who want to have over-the-top pride parades because it is something I hope my country can experience someday (minus the rainbow capitalism). So no I really do not understand the POV of someone who has something amazing that I wish I could have and hates it.
But we’re not doing anything to help you. We’re just rallying up and down the street with our rainbow banners and corporate sponsorships, not giving a flying fuck about the rest of the world’s pride.
If anything it reinforces my points. What has worldwide pride done to protect you and get you to a safe country? What have all those rainbow burgers done to help you? What about those social media posts silencing idiots?
Likewise, I can take someone to court for calling me a fag or what other slur they blurt out, yet they can’t take me to court if I attack their heterosexuality.
i don’t even think this is correct, but even if we ignore that and accept it to be true: i am pretty confident no group of heterosexuals in human history have ever been oppressed for any protracted period of time for being heterosexual. comparatively, it is still not that weird and in many places and contexts socially normalized to discriminate against queer people, even where they have existing protected rights. this seems like a completely unobjectionable asymmetry given that fact. i would question anybody who thinks it is weird.
i am pretty confident no group of heterosexuals in human history have ever been oppressed for any protracted period of time for being heterosexual.
True, but that isn’t my point. My point is that I have abilities that straight people do not. That is not equality.
it is still not that weird and in many places and contexts socially normalized to discriminate against queer people, even where they have existing protected rights. this seems like a completely unobjectionable asymmetry given that fact. i would question anybody who thinks it is weird.
Absolutely, those are the places we need to focus pride on, not on the latest corporation logo, special rainbow burger or a tweet from a washed-up boomer.
It’s nice you don’t think it’s correct, but fortunately, it is.
…you just sent me a link which explicitly says sexual orientation, blanketly, is covered by nondiscrimination and equality laws with no exception for heterosexuality? i’m going to be honest i don’t know what point you’re making here and you strike me as having kind of reactionary positions informed by information you’re not correctly interpreting.
Mainly in the employment sector. You’re more likely to be hired if you happen to be queer. Likewise, I can take someone to court for calling me a fag or what other slur they blurt out, yet they can’t take me to court if I attack their heterosexuality. That doesn’t seem fair to me.
That all totally sounds awesome to me considering I face death in my country for being bi. Would love to only have to worry about fairness
What country would that be?
countries
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
See that’s what bothers me about pride as well. We rather focus our efforts on something super fucking petty like some boomer saying dumb shit on Twitter instead of, you know, literal death penalties in other countries.
well, for one thing many of these “boomers” have the power to change the laws of this country (or to influence social feelings toward queer people) and in their ideal world want the death penalty for queer people; and for another, you’re not going to find people who object to the ongoing oppression of queer people in the US and think it isn’t fucked up that Afghanistan executes gay people or whatever, so… ironically you’re doing the twitter stereotype of making up a person to get mad at here. i don’t think this describes literally any person of significance in the queer community
You’re also making up a person with your “changing the laws” via the power of boomers tweets.
Personally, I don’t care what happens in the US. It’s a third-world country and will continue to remain as such.
you’ve pretty glaringly misread my post if you think that’s what i said. my point here is–i think pretty unambiguously–that we have no shortage of “boomers” who tweet and are in positions of power to directly influence the law. these are not the mutually exclusive groups you present, or seem to think them as being.
Where are you from? In my country, we had a referendum on equality, likewise did other democratic countries, such as Ireland and Taiwan.
These countries already show that the Boomers are an inherent minority, and they lack the numbers and political power to change this.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” - Dr. King
And using that quote means that this mean tweet is more of an injustice than your situation. Do you see my frustration in pride now?
I am in a country facing life and death for my biology. I am also cheering on people in privileged countries like yours who want to have over-the-top pride parades because it is something I hope my country can experience someday (minus the rainbow capitalism). So no I really do not understand the POV of someone who has something amazing that I wish I could have and hates it.
Because you deserve it more.
But we’re not doing anything to help you. We’re just rallying up and down the street with our rainbow banners and corporate sponsorships, not giving a flying fuck about the rest of the world’s pride.
I never advertise that for safety reasons
Then why even bring it up
Because it is a good counter to your points
If anything it reinforces my points. What has worldwide pride done to protect you and get you to a safe country? What have all those rainbow burgers done to help you? What about those social media posts silencing idiots?
Nothing.
i don’t even think this is correct, but even if we ignore that and accept it to be true: i am pretty confident no group of heterosexuals in human history have ever been oppressed for any protracted period of time for being heterosexual. comparatively, it is still not that weird and in many places and contexts socially normalized to discriminate against queer people, even where they have existing protected rights. this seems like a completely unobjectionable asymmetry given that fact. i would question anybody who thinks it is weird.
It’s nice you don’t think it’s correct, but fortunately, it is.
True, but that isn’t my point. My point is that I have abilities that straight people do not. That is not equality.
Absolutely, those are the places we need to focus pride on, not on the latest corporation logo, special rainbow burger or a tweet from a washed-up boomer.
…you just sent me a link which explicitly says sexual orientation, blanketly, is covered by nondiscrimination and equality laws with no exception for heterosexuality? i’m going to be honest i don’t know what point you’re making here and you strike me as having kind of reactionary positions informed by information you’re not correctly interpreting.
If you can’t be bothered reading my source, that’s on you. I can explain the law to you if you so wish.
More likely to be hired if queer? On what universe??