He signed an executive order on Thursday, saying violence had reached “intolerable levels”.
The sanctions will block the individuals from accessing all US property and other assets.
Violence in the West Bank has spiked since Hamas’s 7 October attack on Israel.
Everyone here should know, this is due to you and the conversations you’ve been having, media you’ve been supporting, and any actions you’ve taken to directly protest, letter write, etc.
Activism works. Being annoying af works. Simply changing the media you consume has an impact. Conservatives get what they want from their elected officials because they demand it. You too can demand things of your elected officials (so long as you can hold them to consequence, ie, the problem with bnmw).
Let’s not forget, this is exactly how we ended segregation in the US and Apartheid in South Africa.
Activism works. Let your voice be heard.
This is also why bad actors fill sites like reddit with bots, to try and control the public narrative.
But bots can’t vote. Bots can’t demonstrate. Bots can’t boycott.
And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.
And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.
I wouldn’t count on that. I’m a dev, and I don’t really know how you reliably do that. You can catch low hanging fruit, but it doesn’t take much to evade.
They did it by keeping lemmy irrelevant. Jk, but really.
This is due to Biden needing to go to Michigan, with its huge arabic population. His campaign people wanted to avoid loud and awkward protests from members of his own party, so they threw a tiny bone that they knew would make a big headline splash.
I hate to be this cynical, but listening to his campaign managers making the rounds on the political insider podcasts… they are overwhelmingly “professional” and entirely inauthentic.
Even if biden himself is earnest, this campaign is shaping up to have all the stage managed authenticity of Hillary’s 2016 run.
I’m worried.
Lol if he comes to Michigan he’s just gonna hide himself at the Ford plant where they get a select few line workers to attend his speech so they can post it on social media.
Dearborn would eat him alive if he so much as so stepped outside the property.
No one’s gonna buy up this executive order.
His 2020 campaign did as well. It was just placed against the previous 4 years. It probably would have been enough for 2024 if this hadn’t happened too. In fact the reason I don’t believe October 7th was an Iranian called shot is because they aren’t dumb and game theory suggests they’d rather have Biden who they use as a political pinata than Trump who will start a war with them within 2 years of taking office.
Fuck you and fuck putin.
Lmao. No. Just no.
Unless you’re extinction rebellion and then everyone hates you anyway.
Wah but being mean to biden spurs voter apathy wah
I’d argue his observed positions on Unions, (as long as they’re toothless), immigrants (a little human rights violation is fine), and supporting a literal genocide did that.
Also gaslighting the country about the economy while taking credit for it didn’t help either. In fact that hurt him, a lot.
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Obviously I have something to say. You just don’t like it.
“The indivuals”. Four. Four guys. That’s all. Of all the Israeli illegal settlers, a whole total of FOUR are getting banned from buying US properties…which I doubt they wanted to, anyway.
A reminder that all Israeli settlements are illegal.
thanks for the clarification as my country is banned from clicking on that link and I’m too lazy to shit my pants on another website.
Even if it’s just lip service to get votes from the left, I’m happy to see the narrative manifesting itself in the white house. they obviously know that voters want.
unfortunately by the time any serious policy would be enacted, Palestine will be gone.
Biden makes sure that four illegal colonists cannot go to America and must stay there to colonize Palestine!He has Michigan in the bag now. All those Arabs can see how strong this man is.
“How dare you do something instead of doing everything!”
Four people is not doing something. Four people is doing the smallest possible amount so that cheerleaders like yourself can say “Hey, they’re trying to do something” to Muslim-Americans in Michigan.
It’s transparent and doesn’t even do that, though.
All of these things are vastly more complicated than it appears on the surface - to say that they shouldn’t do a thing because they should do another thing is not productive, hey lets just do nothing and be mad about it on the internet guys.
And what does anything have to do with Michigan? Are you a real person?
Yes, I am a real person. Demographic shifts, which are very well known to every political person, have made Muslim Americans a required component of a democratic win in most of the mid west swing states, but especially Michigan.
The Democratic party is starting to freak out because Biden’s explicit backing of a genocide has dropped his support among Muslim Americans from 60-65% into the single digits.
The Electoral map for a Democratic win without the Midwest Muslim American vote is so unrealistic as to be fantasy.
This is why they are doing this. It’s a throwaway token gesture. And the people it’s supposed to appease know it too.
“Liberals and Jews are conspiring together to commit genocide.”
Wasn’t true when Hitler went around claiming it, and it almost certainly isn’t now.
Go pedal your anti-Semitic ‘Jewish people are all members of Israel and any criticism of a white nationalist apartheid ethnostate is antisemitic’ nonsense elsewhere.
The ICJ ruled that Israel is plausibly committing genocide, and multiple human rights orbs have declared Israel an apartheid country.
But, you know what? We don’t need them. Anyone who knows anything about history or war knows that a country that tries to deal with a problematic population by completely cutting of ftheir access to food, medicine, and potable water is committing genocide.
Keep justifying the indefensible.
Never again meant never again for everybody.
I never said criticizing Israel is antisemitic. I said accusing tbem of genocide is almost certainly anti-semitic, based on tbe fact that it has been every other it eas claimed. If you are going to share the claims of thousands of years worth of antisemites, yoi have to be able to explain how you are different.
You haven’t done that, but i’m willing to give you that opportunity.
But also, i 100% believe you when you say you don’t need the people who actually determine whether something is a genocide to agree with you.
That is literally the first hit from google. I know you won’t read it, but you should.
You should also really watch South Africa’s presentation: https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3
And the courts findings yourself, and get your news from a primary source: https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1u/k1uwq4cxuv
A group of Muslim Democrats from Michigan refused to meet with a Biden campaign representative recently.
Trump’s also pulled ahead in the head to head polling over it.
This is what shooting yourself in the face to protect votes in deep blue states looks like.
Honestly, if he did nothing it would be a huge improvement. Instead, he’s proactively sponsoring the genocide with his blank-check policy on military backing and endless exports of the latest in mass mutilation technologies into the hands of known killers.
When you’ve outflanked Ronald Reagan to the right, because you cannot conceive of curbing the flow of tanks, bombs, and other killing machines into the country, maybe there’s a legitimate reason you’re being criticized?
I mean, when they can steal homes for free.
Firstly, positive to see more criticism and friction between Israel and US officials, and that resulting in unilateral action against extreme elements of Israeli society. I recognize that international and domestic politics are hard to balance, and its campaign season.
But holy shit this solves nothing. “It’s a start” certainly, but there shouldn’t even be settlers. Oslo II very clearly, with lines on the map agreed to by both sides, set out that the West Bank and Gaza is Palestinian, for Palestinians.
At what point does the US alliance with Israel cost us more than it’s worth, especially when this unlimited support is directly harmful to other regional allies like Jordan or Egypt?
I’m sure that behind closed.doors, we are rapidly approaching that point.
It’s optics, which are important. You can’t demand the US unilaterally solve Middle East peace or nothing matters.
And you (not literally you I just mean people) can’t get mad at “hugging Netanyahu” which also did literally nothing in reality, while dismissing this. They’re both optics. Early after Oct 7th Biden wanted to show compassion for Israel after the attack, now he’s showing that the US is not on the same page as Israeli leadership. Probably part of a top-level pressure campaign, starting small with private critiques, then public critiques, then actually sanctioning some extreme people, maybe next he threatens to withhold aid, we don’t know.
You can still argue the process isn’t going fast enough and you want whatever your proposed solution is, but it’s not ‘nothing’ for the same reasons you mentioned in your first paragraphs.
When the house is burning down you don’t start with the garden hose and wait for the structure to be fully engulfed before allowing the fire department to use just one hose. That’s a fine approach for normal diplomatic problems. But the genocide response playbook is very clear. You need to act swiftly and decisively to protect the victim group. They will be dead by the time normal politics ramps up to the levels required to save them.
If the Zionists on here are anything to go by. They don’t recognize Oslo 2 and they just really hope nobody brings it up.
I suppose better than nothing but ‘better than nothing’ is a low fuckin bar for intervention in ongoing genocide. Unless there’s reprecussions on the state of Israel, who condones and empowers settelers, this seems like sanctioning the Houthis while simultaneously arming Iran.
It’s a start.
It has been political suicide in the past to criticize Isreal. They are also an incredibly important strategic ally in the region, both militarily and commerce.
This move shows that the US is potentially willing to move away from unconditional support, which could be devastating to Isreal.
So, while the actual scope of the sanctions themselves is unimpressive, the meaning behind it is significant.
Sure, you’re not wrong, but I’m really really tired of getting ‘it’s a start’ action on issues like this and the irreversible change of the climate. There’s a very real timer ticking on both these issues if nothing changes and based on history I’m really skeptical were getting anything but another ‘its a start’ on some other small facet of this issue, ad nauseam until it’s not an election year.
Skepticism is always healthy, but try not to wade too far into cynicism.
International relations are very complicated, and even if it would be satisfying to have fast and heavy responses, I can also understand the cautious approach in this case. As you say, it’s an election year. It would not do Palestinians much good to have a reactionary response poison the well, just to the Republicans win all levels of government and screw up the region far worse, in addition to abandoning Ukraine.
Millions of them have been displaced. They’re starving and dying every day. Disease is rampant. Tens of thousands are dead. They’re running out of hospitals to use. Genocide isn’t the kind of thing you can do a “wait and see” approach for. I get what you’re saying, but people need to keep pressuring him. I hope no one takes this small victory as an excuse to stop.
Yep. I agree, the pressure needs to say on. And more importantly, we need to praise this measure. His administration needs the feedback that withholding support and starting sanctions is a popular policy.
What we don’t need is a tantrum that not enough is being done, dissent that can be weaponized by the Right to convince people to waste their vote on not-Biden.
Agreed! It’s like training a dog with pets lol.
Yeah, the benefit of the slow and steady approach is for Americans, not for Palestinians.
We have to remember, those people aren’t our friends. They’re known to chant “Death to America”. They include the kind of terrorists who would commit the October 7th attacks, and most Palestinians support that kind of terrorism.
We want to stop the genocide while keeping Israel as an ally against both terrorism and Iran, who is currently attacking any Western shipping through the Suez Canal.
I think we have a lot more room to do that, absolutely. It’s a bad situation, and we have to understand our role in it. But our role can certainly be less hard-lined than supporting genocide.
They’re not our friends? It’s the other way around. We’ve been helping Israel kill them and take their land for decades and decades. We’re on Israel’s side of every peace talk, pressuring Palestine to take horrible deals that isolates them and keeps them separated, covering Isreal when the UN tries to censure them for human rights violations and war crimes, selling them the bombs and weapons they use to kill Palestinian children and families, bomb their neighborhoods and hospitals, pretend we give a shit with a token of humanitarian aid that hasn’t helped the bare minimum of calories they get, the majority of their water being poison, the extremely high unemployment rate, the constant buzzing sound of drones overhead that increases their stress and ruins their sleep, or the general oppressive apartheid state they live under and always while at the same time continuing to sell the tools of murder and destruction to Israel.
Of course they’re not our friends after all that. And of course after all that they are gong to do an armed struggle. An attack the scale of October 7th has only happened once, and it’s the result of years of the deaths being way higher on the Palestinian side and there being nothing they can do about it. October 7th is the only time Hamas has barely touched Israel. Meanwhile, Israel has been killing all Palestinians (including civilians, not just Hamas) disproportionately for years and no one has done or said anything on their behalf. Even their peaceful marches lead to them dying or losing limbs and no other change. So what do you expect them to do? Just do the nice thing for us and die quietly? Cozy up to their oppressors? Holding Hamas against Palestine is like holding the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising against all Jews because " clearly they practice violence".
I appreciate what you’re saying about genocide bad, this is just all a response to the comment about them not being our friends. They would be huge friends of ours if we helped them get equal rights or integrate into a one state solution, but the US has never been as interested in that as they are helping Israel complete their mission of settler colonialism.
They would be huge friends of ours if
That’s idealistic. You think if we just do the right thing now that they’ll forgive the past 75 years?
Our government’s primary interest is protecting Americans. These politicians know that if they allow a 9/11 style attack, the same people who are calling for peace now will be calling for those politicians heads.
I too wish we could just all get along. It’s understandable that they want revenge. But as long as we’re expecting revenge, we’re going to do our best to make sure it can’t happen. And that’s oppressive and wrong. But I don’t know how palatable just allowing Israel to be wiped off the map in the name of righteousness is either.
There are no good guys here. I wish I could see a path to peace, but I don’t.
We have to remember, those people aren’t our friends. They’re known to chant “Death to America”.
There are Americans who yell almost the same thing to other Americans, ie: anti-abortionists, anti-queer, racists, neo-nazis, Proud Boys, the kind of people who supported and engaged in insurrection, etc etc etc. They may use different words but the intent is identical.
those people aren’t our friends. They’re known to chant “Death to America”. They include the kind of terrorists who would commit the October 7th attacks, and most Palestinians support that kind of terrorism.
Why do you think that is?
Does it matter? Should we not care about being attacked because they have a reason?
For anyone not reading any further…this is a whole total of FOUR illegal settlers being banned. FOUR.
Now do the same with the Israeli state
Yeah, what good are sanctions if the Israeli government is still giving them US weapons to continue terrorising Palestinians in the West bank?
It’s a warning shot.
Good thing we’re doing warning shots over a 100 days in, after Gaza has been turned into rubble and like 2% of the population has died.
Geopolitics involving nuclear armaments happens slowly, unfortunately. It’s a nasty situation, but the political will is shifting away from Israel.
The US can’t unilaterally stop supporting a long time ally without undermining the trust the rest of our Allie’s have in the US- and by extension NATO as a whole. At least not without taking small steps at a time
They won’t. Geopolitics is 4D chess. Not sure who’s winning, but Israel is America’s only Middle Eastern ally other than Saudi Arabia.
Way to little, but at least something.
Us sanctioning iran: “FUCK EVERY MAN WOMAN GRANDPARENT AND CHILD, OVERTHROW YOUR GOVERNMENT IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT BITCH”
Us sanctioning israel: “using satalites we have pinpointed 4 individuals in the west bank region and will enact targeted sanctions to curb behavior, thank you and god bless”
Glad to see he’s starting to feel the pressure! That aside, wake me up when he sanctions Israel, which not-so-subtly supports these settlers.
He doesn’t even need to sanction them. Stop sending them weapons.
Edit: I mean, I guess sanctions would be nice too, but stopping the weapons transfers should be the bare minimum.
That too 👆
That’s gonna be a lot of pressure huh? They banned…four dudes. I’m not even joking, the ban is for FOUR guys.
Doing literally anything at all is a divergence from previous policy. How do you explain it?
Cuz it looks to me like Biden trying to throw his electoral base a bone so he doesn’t lose.
He won’t.
The point is to do as little as possible and still be able to say he tried.
Make a couple of ineffectual executive orders and then send more bombs to kill innocent brown children.
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how do you sanction “settlers” exactly
They get put on a list. They try to enter the US, they get detained. They won’t be able to engage with the American banking system or buy real estate in America.
What happens if one of the settlers becomes PM of Israel? Does the US change its tune?
Remember, in the case of India, the current PM of India was banned from entering the US for almost a decade. Now, we bend over backwards for him.
Seeing as Ben-Gvir isn’t mentioned at all, I think you already have your answer.
The funny thing is with Modi, there was a huge petition to get him banned and they still overturned it like nothing just because he became PM.
Same story with the Phillipines I think
Yes, as it turns out, becoming the elected leader of millions/billions of people does get you some special treatment that you didn’t get before.
The PM of India was an elected official even when banned.
More like we let our morals slide when it became apparent that China was a bigger issue.
Gvir is already in the government and Biden is supporting him. Nothing will change.
What scrambles my brain is he won’t even do the most basic shit. Like okay Gazans are starving because Aid is being blocked. Why aren’t we tying our weapons deliveries to the flow of Aid?
Even if you believe the IDF is the most moral military on the planet (laugh, snort) this is an obvious measure to make sure there isn’t a famine. And the IDF could have pretended they did it willingly if they had done this in December when we knew it was a problem!
But nope. Is there a Biden pee tape? What in the actual hell is going on?
Why aren’t we tying our weapons deliveries to the flow of Aid?
Because the point of the weapons delivers is to kill Gazans, not save them. This isn’t a bug, its a feature. Genocide and permanent depopulation of Arabs in the Gaza strip is the entire purpose of this military operation.
Is there a Biden pee tape? What in the actual hell is going on?
Biden has been an Israel die-hard since the 70s and he’s only grown more intractable with age.
Ugh, I want to puke. This isn’t the country I grew up in, but apparently it was.
He scratched the back of the Jewish community enough to be able to argue for their vote. Now he’s got to contend with all the people that actually don’t want The US to support Israeli genocide against Palestine. Politicians be politicking.
The Zionist Jewish community isn’t integral to his re-election.
Just to clarify, until the suspension of funding, the US was giving aid.
Just not to the Palestinian government. It is illegal for a president to give aid directly to a terrorist state.
Lmaololololololol.
UNRWA couldn’t get any aid into Gaza. The IDF has been blocking them. Talking about payments to buy food is useless if the food cannot be delivered.
GTFO here with the third deliberately stupid take I’ve seen you publish today.
We can agree that the Palestininian’s need food absolutely.
But blocking an organization.after that organization was involved in.a terror attack seems a bit obvious doesn’t it?
But let me guess, it’s also Israel’s fault that UNRWA allowed themselves to be infiltrated, isn’t it?
We cut off UNRWA at the mere accusation they had some employees that were involved, not leadership or the organization at large.
But we continue to support Israel through what amounts to hundreds of credible accusations and statements by their leadership showing this is on purpose.
Make that make sense.
Showing what is on purpose?
To clarify, I don’t believe that going to war in response to terrorism is the right answer, but to suggest the side that initiated the war is being genocided because they are losing is really ridiculous.
Right, nothing is happening. There is no Genocide in Ba Sing Se. Just 27,000 dead Hamas. And the IDF is magically making sure food only gets to innocent civilians which is why dastardly Hamas babies are all over the internet being hungry.
Again, sincerely, please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Nobody has said nothing is happening.
How.can we trust your claim of.genocide when you lie of other’s claims?
These fucking morons are going to hillary themselves into another Trump presidency. Fucking embarassing.
You have to admit it is an interesting tactic. First he makes all people who are pro palestine hate him and now he also makes the people who are pro israel hate him as well.
History repeats itself. War crimes are being committed and other countries try to wait it out with pointless bureaucracy bullshit.
Meanwhile innocent children suffer and die every day.
The sanctions block the individuals from accessing all US property and other assets.
They also prevent them from using the American financial system.
I wonder what percentage of the Israeli settlers are using the US financial system or even own US property.
The wording is also a bit vague, Do the bombs that we also sent Israel count as our property. Or are they officially Israel’s?
Also, who are “the individuals?” who invaded the west bank? Do we have group names?
They’re 20 year olds and teenagers who probably don’t have any Israeli assets let alone American. They’re from the 0.01% of violent settlers with no clout who did something politically inconvenient enough to actually get arrested by Israel. One of them beat up a liberal Jewish activist so that’s why they got in trouble. One of them was from the Huwara pogrom attack where high-ranking Israeli government officials and the IDF encouraged and facilitated it, and he’s a random loser they arrested to deflect attention.
The US picked some people to sanction that Israel has already deemed expendable, and they’re people Israel agrees did something bad, so Biden isn’t offending Israel by listening to any Palestinian accusation against an Israeli.
Do the bombs that we also sent Israel count as our property. Or are they officially Israel’s?
They’re Israel’s. They bought them from us. Doesn’t matter that they bought them with money we gave them.
Him: what’s the bare minimum I can do. I don’t like being called Genocide Joe.
Staffers: sanctions!
Him: fuck those four settlers in particular!
Staff: <shakes heads> at least he’s better than Trump?
