Drivers are assholes by me too and enforcement is low here too, but that doesn’t justify a camera watching every driver 24/7, plus pedestrians in some areas.
If you want more traffic enforcement, get the cops to do their fucking jobs.
Lol good luck with getting the cops to do anything. They love abusing traffic laws themselves.
But these cameras do not watch people. They take a picture when they detect a car is going too fast or blows a red light, not constant surveillance.
Plus cars are on public roads, peds are on public streets. I don’t really care about the privacy argument tbh in this case. Much more people are harmed from cars speeding and blowing red lights then any sort of abuse involving public cameras.
But these cameras do not watch people. They take a picture when they detect a car is going too fast or blows a red light, not constant surveillance.
Speeding ticket like many other crimes are an issue on;y if you are poor. Making presecution more agressive and non-fines based or limiting the cars sold\registered there are probably the quick fixes to this systemic trouble.
It’s a black box we don’t have much info about in this or other states. What makes the overseer abstain from OCRing every car plate and having it’s trajectory mapped at every junction? There are many justifications to do so, like car theft or general tracking of wrongdoers, but with it’s automation comes the understanding that every ride in your car is tracked A to B without you knowing it.
Those are traffic cams dude, not enforcement cameras.
Traffic cameras watch traffic and a lot of them are open to be viewed by anyone.
Enforcement cameras take shots on motion and object detection. Just like toll cameras which snap a pic of your license plate as you drive under them, they aren’t meant to view traffic live. The cameras have very different tech as they are for a specific purpose.
It’s not pedantic if I’m addressing your assertions based on the article you linked in reply to the guy saying your not being watch via what are basically just really high tech photo cameras.
It’s beyond hilarious that flying squid would whine about someone else being pedantic, because most times when we’ve butted heads, pedanticism has been their go-to once their argument starts to falter.
But it’s especially funny here when you aren’t even being pedantic, but pointing out that the article they provided is talking about something almost completely separate.
I’d much rather an almost unbiased and passive camera making the decision rather than a likely racist, and certainly biased in other ways, cops enforcing the law. Certainly considering I would rather cops doing more important work than handing out tickets. Maybe even spending that time getting training to be less fuckwits.
If you said they should be put in cars, I would agree that is watching it very driver 24/7, but strategically placed cameras in dangerous areas seems like a good idea to me and certainly not watching everyone all the time.
Unbiased cameras? Obviously the bias would capitalism. More tickets more revenue. Lol who do you think is reviewing the tapes? Clearly not the racist cops and judges you spoke of /s.
I don’t know how it works in America, but in Germany and presumably most parts of Europe, red light cameras are triggered by coils under the road (similar to speed cameras). There’s usually one coil right past the stopping line (for cars being halfway over) and another coil somewhere closer to the center of the intersection (for fully running a red light).
Until everyone behaves within acceptable societal standards traffic / red light cams are a reasonable part of the strategy to steer assholes towards the goal. As much as awareness campaigns, improving training, lowering vehicle velocity when it sees yellow automagically maybe…
Which doesn’t mean there aren’t unfortunate abuses by cops or city wrt shortening yellow duration to pocket more cash or such like.
And I strongly believe that cops should be doing more interesting cop stuff then enforcing traffic tickets in our days and age.
There’s also the aspect of designing roads in a way that discourages driving dangerously, like in the Netherlands. Raised crosswalks, speed bumps, narrowed lanes, physical barriers, etc.
If we make completely straight, flat roads with wide lanes going through neighborhoods, people are just going to drive down them fast because that’s what subconsciously feels like the correct speed.
If you want more traffic enforcement, get the cops to do their fucking jobs.
How do you imagine the cops do it so it’s the same as with the cameras? Or would you be fine with worse enforcement, as long as you do away with cameras?
There can be a middle ground between almost no enforcement and taking a photo every time someone might be breaking the law, but also the camera might be miscalibrated or malfunctioning somehow.
Last I checked, there weren’t drunk driving cameras, so I’m not sure how that’s relevant. If anything, that makes my point for me. Human cops enforce anti-drunk driving laws.
If they did that, they would just have a load of people going “why aren’t you catching real criminals?” Just don’t go through red lights. It’s not difficult.
Drivers are assholes by me too and enforcement is low here too, but that doesn’t justify a camera watching every driver 24/7, plus pedestrians in some areas.
If you want more traffic enforcement, get the cops to do their fucking jobs.
Lol good luck with getting the cops to do anything. They love abusing traffic laws themselves.
But these cameras do not watch people. They take a picture when they detect a car is going too fast or blows a red light, not constant surveillance.
Plus cars are on public roads, peds are on public streets. I don’t really care about the privacy argument tbh in this case. Much more people are harmed from cars speeding and blowing red lights then any sort of abuse involving public cameras.
Speeding ticket like many other crimes are an issue on;y if you are poor. Making presecution more agressive and non-fines based or limiting the cars sold\registered there are probably the quick fixes to this systemic trouble.
It’s a black box we don’t have much info about in this or other states. What makes the overseer abstain from OCRing every car plate and having it’s trajectory mapped at every junction? There are many justifications to do so, like car theft or general tracking of wrongdoers, but with it’s automation comes the understanding that every ride in your car is tracked A to B without you knowing it.
The best fix is to have the fine scale with income.
Probs, but it also has it’s ways to be obscured.
Are you sure about that?
https://www.observerlocalnews.com/news/2022/feb/02/caught-on-camera-fcso-uses-traffic-footage-to-solve-crimes/
Not only are those not cars running red lights, you can clearly see the intersection and sidewalks where pedestrians would be.
Those are traffic cams dude, not enforcement cameras.
Traffic cameras watch traffic and a lot of them are open to be viewed by anyone.
Enforcement cameras take shots on motion and object detection. Just like toll cameras which snap a pic of your license plate as you drive under them, they aren’t meant to view traffic live. The cameras have very different tech as they are for a specific purpose.
I’m sure this meme applies just as well to traffic cams if you want to be pedantic about it.
It’s not pedantic if I’m addressing your assertions based on the article you linked in reply to the guy saying your not being watch via what are basically just really high tech photo cameras.
Meme aside.
It’s beyond hilarious that flying squid would whine about someone else being pedantic, because most times when we’ve butted heads, pedanticism has been their go-to once their argument starts to falter.
But it’s especially funny here when you aren’t even being pedantic, but pointing out that the article they provided is talking about something almost completely separate.
I’d much rather an almost unbiased and passive camera making the decision rather than a likely racist, and certainly biased in other ways, cops enforcing the law. Certainly considering I would rather cops doing more important work than handing out tickets. Maybe even spending that time getting training to be less fuckwits.
If you said they should be put in cars, I would agree that is watching it very driver 24/7, but strategically placed cameras in dangerous areas seems like a good idea to me and certainly not watching everyone all the time.
Unbiased cameras? Obviously the bias would capitalism. More tickets more revenue. Lol who do you think is reviewing the tapes? Clearly not the racist cops and judges you spoke of /s.
…how would cops attempting to pull over drivers, and then shooting or chasing the black families help?
We live in dark times. We’ve always been living in dark times.
I mean, if they didn’t do the second part…
I don’t know how it works in America, but in Germany and presumably most parts of Europe, red light cameras are triggered by coils under the road (similar to speed cameras). There’s usually one coil right past the stopping line (for cars being halfway over) and another coil somewhere closer to the center of the intersection (for fully running a red light).
Until everyone behaves within acceptable societal standards traffic / red light cams are a reasonable part of the strategy to steer assholes towards the goal. As much as awareness campaigns, improving training, lowering vehicle velocity when it sees yellow automagically maybe…
Which doesn’t mean there aren’t unfortunate abuses by cops or city wrt shortening yellow duration to pocket more cash or such like.
And I strongly believe that cops should be doing more interesting cop stuff then enforcing traffic tickets in our days and age.
There’s also the aspect of designing roads in a way that discourages driving dangerously, like in the Netherlands. Raised crosswalks, speed bumps, narrowed lanes, physical barriers, etc.
If we make completely straight, flat roads with wide lanes going through neighborhoods, people are just going to drive down them fast because that’s what subconsciously feels like the correct speed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bglWCuCMSWc&t=4m57s
And those preventive measures as well indeed - on top of those cameras because some assholes don’t learn unless they get hit in the bank.
A cop standing at every intersection would feel a lot more uncomfortable to me but each to their own
Is that how you think they used to do it before red light cameras?
How do you imagine the cops do it so it’s the same as with the cameras? Or would you be fine with worse enforcement, as long as you do away with cameras?
There can be a middle ground between almost no enforcement and taking a photo every time someone might be breaking the law, but also the camera might be miscalibrated or malfunctioning somehow.
How else would you enforce people to follow the law if cameras aren’t an option?
The fact it wasn’t enforced in the past doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be enforced today. People were allowed to drive drunk in the past as well.
Last I checked, there weren’t drunk driving cameras, so I’m not sure how that’s relevant. If anything, that makes my point for me. Human cops enforce anti-drunk driving laws.
How about we do mechanical speed limiting like they do with ebikes.
If they did that, they would just have a load of people going “why aren’t you catching real criminals?” Just don’t go through red lights. It’s not difficult.
Just don’t surveil people 24/7. It’s not difficult.
It’s not surveiling people, it’s surveiling an intersection.
Intersections devoid of people?