I thought it was “he’s already dead”?
I’m so happy this is basically the only comment. OP has failed us and deserves to have his internet revoked for at least 3 days.
Literally unplayable
2/10 elbows too pointy
Tbh, this is the only thing that is true, even if israel and hamas magically stop or are forced to, those children are gonna have some serious PTSD for the rest of their lives
Except we’re not exactly seeing a bunch of people rushing to hold back Israel, I guess.
Was about to say that the bottom panel is missing a “Nobody” label over the waiters
The US should be handing Israel a gun
I don’t get the downvotes, are we (US) not arming Israel?
I would guess a combination of two things:
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People who want to defend Israel.
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People who don’t want to give Israel guns, misreading the comment as implying we should be.
i.e confusion from both sides that causes downvotes.
Just a guess, though.
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Israel is a terrorist state.
Its definitely an apartheid state. Unlike South Africa the ruling ethnicity is the majority. They’ve been at war with the minority since it’s inception since that meant physically displacing people who didn’t want to leave. I don’t believe peace was ever an option Israel honestly considered.
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I’d expect them to take actions that won’t make sure there will be easier to radicalize people against them.
Their actions are the biggest advertisement for enlisting terrorists that will fight them 10 years from now.
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What differentiates Hamas from the Israel government that causes you to describe it as a terrorist organization and the Israel government as not?
The definition is killing civilians to cause political change.
Israel, by many governmental officials descriptions, is trying to cause maximum damage to Gaza in retaliation, including the deaths of a civilian population. Most of whom, notably were too young to vote for Hamas.
Israel has repeatedly bombed hospitals run by MSF, schools, and ambulances. They always claim Hamas was there, and yet, the MSF doctors state they weren’t. The schools weren’t likely housing Hamas, and when journalists check the ambulances, find no weapons or military uniforms.
Let me ask you this: what could Israel do that you wouldn’t think is justified?
Please, answer that. I’d be willing to bet I could find an example. And if there is nothing, then I know you’re an extremist that is okay with genocide.
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The Palestinians tried a peaceful protest in the march of return two years ago.
The IDF slaughtered them, intentionally targeting medics.
Bibi used coded language in a speech in Hebrew calling the Palestinians amaleks. God ordered the Jewish tribe, in the old testament, to slaughter the amaleks man, woman, child, and beast of burden.
CNN was allowed a journalist to embed with the IDF, but only if the IDF was allowed full editorial control. FULL control.
At this point, you not knowing this is likely you ‘just trying to ask questions’ in a bad faith effort to justify genocide, which you obliquely admit to in another comment. Israel is still not allowing food or water in.
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Israel lost 0.014% of its population to the Hamas attack. Gaza has lost about 0.52% of its population to Israel’s rampage and that over 40% of those deaths are children. How is that comparable at all?
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Fuck off genocide denier. More than half of the population was children.
Also, the list of the dead has been attempted to be verified by major news organizations, and has been successfully.
I don’t deny anything? I am looking for information. What about you?
Heres some simple information. Gazas population was over 50 percent under 18. I.e. children.
It’s within reasonable margin to divide the casualties by two to get the number of dead children.
I personally have two friends who’ve had their entire extended families blown up.
I should have known better:
I appreciate your attempt to bring rationality and reason to the discussion, but you’re wasting your time on this shithole.
yeah, I realized this half way through typing but wanted to finish this anyway.
And yeah, asking for independent verification the way you did absolutely implies denial. I should have realized that from your instance that you’re from a country that literally defines anti-Zionism as antisemitism.
Wow. Now the instance I am coming is the point of debate. Honestly, you are not interested in any honest discussion after all. I don’t have any political agenda with me like you obviously do.
All I do is wish for war and terrorism to end and this needs democratic processes and independent press after all. This is my point.
Care to provide a link or smth?
Here’s one, sorta, that doesn’t include where they checked a Palestinian employees family bit, but it’s the middle of the night and I’m trying to go back to sleep. I’ll find it in the morning.
Hmmm…
So in other words if this killing helps rooting out Hamas then it is all justified. Because obviously the next generation of Palestinians will be thankful that their siblings, parents, grandparents where rooted out of their homes or slaughtered in the name of anti-terrorism action as collateral damage. Surely nobody growing up without prospects and has to deal with such hardships will wabt any revenge or justice for their sufferings. Surely this will not radicalize the middle east any further. In fact they should be grateful that they are honored to die in the name of Israëls justice.
If it wasn’t clear this is obviously sarcastic…
Ironically the same excuse for mass murder in Germany sometime between 1930-1950.
I don’t want to justify, all I am looking for is a discussion. I could not provide a solution either and I do not support war. All I am saying is that I don’t know what to expect from a country to do.
I do not excuse killing of civilians or even genocide and personally think that Israel should take more care about civilians which is even in alignment with the statement of Mr. Blinken. Also they may rightfully be criticized in relation to blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza.
All I do say is that unbased information is hard to come by at this stage as the information sphere from inside Gaza is mostly controlled by Hamas. Israel surely is no unbiased source of news either, but international press has more access there. Again I do not neglect nor justify killing civilians and especially children. But still it should be distinguished between actual genocide which includes intentionally deporting and killing civilians and collateral damage, both of which are to condemn, as are the actions of Hamas relating to raiding and terrorizing Israel civilians and taking them hostage. This is no way of deescalation obviously either.
You can take issue with the numbers and be as conspiratorial about them as you like, but that goalpost movement doesn’t do anything to support your point.
Your unwillingness to label the killing of thousands of children in either regard shows an apologism and an intellectual dishonesty that doesn’t bely any useful contribution to the discussion.
Faux impartiality and centrism is the kind of toxic behaviour that lets these atrocities go unchecked.
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The other comment:
40% of those deaths are children
Where is that info from? Gonna wait for independent journalists to provide information on this, right?
Huh? I don’t have a strong opinion on any of this and do not deny. I would prefer independent investigations on this by parties not involved in this conflict (or war or potential genocide whatever you want to call this).
Not letting food and water sufficient for a population of 2.2 million in when you control the borders is intentionally killing civilians.
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Not by you:
Again, I think Israel should rightfully be criticized for many things, but clearing out Hamas makes sense when viewed as it’s own topic. And looking at the number of high civilian casualties in Gaza they are being criticized even by the USA, you still have to consider that Hamas are hiding in civilian infrastructure on purpose to use them as human shields. Also while the numbers of casualties in Gaza are being reported from inside Gaza you would not know how many of them are actually part of Hamas. They won’t give you this information.
This is you ‘both-siding’ genocide.
There is one proper response to genocide. Unconditional condemnation without qualifying. Anything else is standing idlely by.
Criticism while also saying ‘but Hamas did this’ is not unconditional condemnation.
Let me ask you this: do you think there is any behavior that can justify genocide?
Again, I think Israel should rightfully be criticized for many things, but clearing out Hamas makes sense when viewed as it’s own topic. And looking at the number of high civilian casualties in Gaza they are being criticized even by the USA, you still have to consider that Hamas are hiding in civilian infrastructure on purpose to use them as human shields. Also while the numbers of casualties in Gaza are being reported from inside Gaza you would not know how many of them are actually part of Hamas. They won’t give you this information.
This is you justifying it.
Let me guess: you’re a member of the Alternative for Germany party?
you’re a member of the Alternative for Germany party?
Hahaha never. Now fuck off with them Nazis.
Edit: To be clear and give my final statement. I am not politically active and do not have an agenda. I am not member of any political party, but I do actively vote and politically debate with friends. Currently i would consider myself mostly in line with the green party while having a negative view on both extremist left and right boundaries but I also dislike the major parties curruption riddled SPD (esp. Scholz), CDU and inhumane corporate and lobby party FDP. AfD and the other Nazi parties are the worst obviously.
No, I do not justify bombing civilian infrastructure. I do try to explain why civilian casualties are too high. While Hamas should not use civilians as human shields, Israel should not bomb them non the less and disregard civilian casualties. It’s both wrong.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate
This is what human shields look like.
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read my other comments
Read up on operation cast lead. That is what human shields looks like, and it wasn’t the Palestinians that did it.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate
What do I expect them to do? Not ‘mow the grass’ every couple of years. Not use soldiers to protect murderers as the ‘settlers’, sorry, thieves go in and steal more of west bank. Somewhere that has no hamas, by the by.
What do I expect them to do? Not commit genocide. That’s what I expect.
I also expect them not to be a white supremacist apartheid ethno state, but I know that one isn’t possible, just as I know that it isn’t possible to not expect them to be terrorists or commit the Nakba, or to socialize with the Irgun.
Fuck off you genocide excuser.
maybe try to discuss without being toxic? I do never excuse any genocide.
Again, I think Israel should rightfully be criticized for many things, but clearing out Hamas makes sense when viewed as it’s own topic. And looking at the number of high civilian casualties in Gaza they are being criticized even by the USA, you still have to consider that Hamas are hiding in civilian infrastructure on purpose to use them as human shields. Also while the numbers of casualties in Gaza are being reported from inside Gaza you would not know how many of them are actually part of Hamas. They won’t give you this information.
This is literally justification.
Maybe try not justifying the murder of over 10,000 civilians if you don’t want toxicity.
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Anyone conflating being anti-Zionist with being antisemitic isn’t being reasonable.
I would argue it’s pretty antisemitic to think that Israel speaks for all Jewish people.
Israel doesn’t exist just because of or for Zionists. Or do you propose everyone who was born there but happens to not be a Palestinian should leave the country?
No, I advocate for them to demand a single Democratic state with Democratic rights for everyone, regardless of ethnicity. Since, you know, they’ve intentionally done everything possible to kill a two state solution.
Otherwise, they promote an apartheid vision for the region.
Also, it does exist solely because of Zionists. Where do you think it came from?
It exists to be a unsinkable US aircraft carrier parked at the crossroads of Asia, Africa and Europe. It’s an ethnostate where non-jews are disenfranchised and nonwhite Jews are sterilized.
Jews, Christians and Muslims coexisted in Palestine long before the European colony arrived.
Fucking Germans I swear
I appreciate your attempt to bring rationality and reason to the discussion, but you’re wasting your time on this shithole.
yeah, I realized this half way through typing but wanted to finish this anyway.
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Hey.
You’re 100% right, and your view aligns very closely with mine. It’s also very well worded; nicely done.
I’m extremely frustrated with the loss of innocent lives. I realize my meme is oversimplifying, but that is inherit to the format of memes themselves. In this case my meme serves to vent my frustrations with an appalling situation and to serve as a jumping off point for deeper conversations.
No matter the frothing at the mouth, anyone not directly involved in the decision making process of this ‘war’ is essentially powerless. We can pressure our governments to not fund a given side, but that’s about the extent of it.
It’s pretty fucking shitty.
“I…HAVE… THE…RIGHT…TO…DEFEND…MYSELF”
Krusty is Jewish, perfect fitting meme
Lmao! I forgot about that. Perfect.
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It’s fascinating, how most of the people here are supporting the far-right Hamas, at the same time calling themselves leftists.
I don’t support Hamas. I support civilians not getting blown to smitherines
On your “meme” you showed Israel fighting Gaza, forgetting to mention that Israel in fact is fighting Hamas.
poor poor “palestinian” cinnamon rolls, never did nothin to nobody
awww cry me a fucking river, guess instead of having all those islamofascist muslim nations vote against israel time and time again, they should have gotten egypt to invade gaza sooner, through it’s land crossing in raffah, to root out hamas, pij, and all the other terrorists who attack israel. what is that you say, the united nations islamofascists don’t mind when muslim terrorists attack israel and kill jews, only when jews respond with force in their defense?
you don’t say
Gaza was given to Arabs for self rule and determination in 2005, all Jews left Gaza, even Jewish graveyards were dug up and moved, it was theirs to do with as they liked.
They’ve spent the last 18 years making into a terrorist Disneyland with a dozen Islamofascist terrorist organizations with the stated goal of killing Jews and destroying the state of Israel, they’ve fired hundreds of thousands of missiles into Israel indiscriminately targeting civilians, and launched countless cross borders attacks against Jewish civilians, including one that caused the largest loss of Jewish life in any single day, anywhere, since the Holocaust on October 7th.
They were given Gaza to live in freedom and self determination, they used it to kill Jews. They were warned. They chose to ignore the warnings.
These acts of terrorism were perpetrated by the entire Gazan community, they voted for Hamas, and allowed Hamas to rule their government for the last 17 years, Hamas and all the other Islamic terrorists in Gaza are not outsiders, they were born in Gaza of Gazans, they were raised in Gaza, they were educated in Gaza, they married and had children of their own in Gaza, their Parents, teachers, mosques, hospitals, are all in Gaza, from which they use to hid and store weapons to attack Jews, Hamas, PIJ and all the other Islamic terrorist in Gaza ARE Gaza, there has been no uprising in Gaza, there have only been attacks on Israel. This is what Gazans have supported and sacrificed for in every way they possibly could.
And now it’s here. I do hope they enjoy what they’ve worked generationaly to achieve.
There will be no ceasefire this time.
I’m not even going to touch this one. I don’t have time to write a thesis on why people killing other people is reprehensible.
They’re spamming this shit constantly on kbin. Thankfully most instances and communities have banned them already but half their comment history is just unhinged calls for genocide.
plese be troll instead of real mental problem person
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Yeah bro, those dead Gazan kids agree with you. The Israelis seem pretty indiscriminate. Hamas was too, which is why the whole situation makes me sick.
Should Hamas be hunted down like dogs? Yep.
Should you blow up hospitals to get at them? Nope.
Should you kill 10x the civilians your attackers did? Nope.
you’ve got to be a gymnast to land the mental backflip to suggest that Israel’s response is reasonable. If the tables were turned, I’d be just as outraged.
No, you don’t get it. You know, there’s all these details and context and it’s so much more complicated than that. To put it the way you did is just so simplistic and misses the point. /s
I guess you could say that right now Israel is hunting Hamas like a dynamite fisherman. Throwing explosives at the problem hoping they get a few. Which is absolutely fucked up.
Fuck Hamas but also fuck the IDF.
Ok, so some basic guidelines for the acute scenario. What’s your answer to living right next to your mortal enemies for eternity and one of the teams isn’t even a nation state? Historically many such responses weren’t quite so half assed and were acutely devastating but prevented such future skirmishes by eliminating Nation-states. In the era of organized terrorism, eliminating nations doesn’t necessarily solve problems. It’s Such an ugly mess. If you think rational decisions are going to be made during flare ups with decades of underlying tension, you are not considerding the big picture well enough. I don’t have the answer, but I’ll always come down hard on terrorism as it’s exempt from many of the diplomatic pressures that have been proven to establish contractual civility at least.
Isn’t it weird how so many Palestinians hate Israel for absolutely no reason?
Let’s rewind to the part where you look at why they are mortal enemies, and realize that the same problem is still happening in the West Bank at the same time as the mass murder in Gaza.
What Israel is doing to Gaza is terrorism, and I don’t believe that you always come down hard on terrorism.
A war is won when a nation state is eliminated or surrenders. You can only defeat terrorism by eliminating all the terrorists which is impossible as long as an ideology persists. Not having a nation state status means things like the Geneva convention don’t even apply to you and you have no head of state that can be taken down or map that can be redrawn, there is no feasible endpoint to your wrath and you are only as peaceful as your least peaceful member. This is a cancerous state of affairs. Terrorism and war are fine lines and I’m not arguing sides here as far as who’s actions, present day or historical are More or less just. But yeah, I’ll always come down harsh on terrorist organizations, they take wars that could have discreet endpoints and allow them to last forever.
Don’t intentionally drive them out of their homes in an ethnic cleansing and steal their fucking land and kill them off every couple of years like ‘mowing the grass’.
Maybe don’t slaughter them when they try non violent protests.
Maybe don’t have an apartheid state that south Africans that suffered under an apartheid state described as being worse than South Africa.
Oh, while we’re on that topic, maybe don’t give weapons to south Africa when the rest of the world is boycotting them for their evil, or test nuclear weapons with them?
Maybe don’t try to ethnically cleanse your neighbors?
Sadly, I know all of those were apparently too much to ask.
Unfortunately we can’t condense 75years of modern Israeli/Palestinian history into a 2 panel Simpsons meme to explain that, yes Krusty Burglar is evil but Homer had previously committed several atrocities of his own including the rape and murder of The Burglar’s family and is now throwing grenades into the audience because they didn’t do enough to stop the Burglar.
But this is justified by the Simpson’s religious/cultural beliefs, themselves formed in response to violence and trauma committed by others, and funded by the religious fanaticism of the Flanders family who believe the Burgler has to die to usher in the end times.
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Maybe, just maybe it’s an alignment of ideology and geopolitical interests across the ruling class rather than genetics.
Maybe Jews were pushed into usury, maybe they’re over-represented in certain spaces like Ivy League schools because they’re wealthier on average, which buys a better education and more opportunities, perpetuating that wealth and success.
Pretty much anything the Nazis blame on Jewish genetics can easily be boiled down to class intetests without the weird blood libel conspiracism and insistence everyone they don’t like is a Jew.
Of course it’s political! Of course it’s not genetic! FFS, I’m not retarded.
How about “Israelites” are running shit in a shadowy conspiracy? That tastes almost as foul in my mouth. But I can sure see where the nuts are coming from.
And see where you’re going with this? Anti-Nazi and racism talk. I’m neither a Nazi nor a racist, and you can check every post I’ve ever made, here or on reddit (/u/shalafi71). Every single one. Go back 11-years on reddit if you like.
But see how the conversation went that way when I started talking about Israel and Jews? And to be clear; I do NOT wish to conflate the two. But it’s easy to see how many (most?) folks do?
Jews were pushed into usury, maybe they’re over-represented in certain spaces like Ivy League schools because they’re wealthier on average, which buys a better education and more opportunities, perpetuating that wealth and success
Any anyone joining this discussion, read that over and over again, because it’s true and that’s how it worked out. We decry this sort of thing, uh, usually, but it’s OK because the Jews have been the underdogs for 2,000+ years? Maybe? I’ve always been a cheerleader for Jews and Israel. I really don’t know what to think anymore.
To get back on point, here’s what I’m seeing, when my eyeballs can get past the in-your-face genocide:
Got any sort of influence in the 1st world? Spoken against Israel lately? Still got a job? Yes, yes, no.
Anything in that last sentence strike anyone false?
Sorry but that’s bullshit. There are plenty of people who speak out against Israel (for example in Germany, of all places) who still hold their job. So there. Your anti-semitic theory of Jews from Israel secretly shadow controlling all governemnts is refuted.
Btw, when your theory is correct how come the media doesn’t cover the bombing of Israel by Gaza and Lebanon? Most people don’t even know it’s happening.
When your theory is true, how come that UN can be biased against Israel and no one is doing anything about it? The UN found that 40 % of all Human rights violations since 2006 (!) have supposedly taken place in Israel. With competitors like China, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan that raised quite a few eyebrows but no one has done anything about it.
Also, simply to bring in some statistics, there are 16.1 million Jews worldwide. And 9.37 million Israelis. No one cares for this tiny minority unless they are battling extinction again.
What is more likely is that A you wish there was an easy answer, like one side has to be the bad one.
And B you are falling hard for propaganda. Propaganda is one of the only weapons groups like Hamas have in their arsenal. And it’s not just Hamas who have an interest in Israel being gone. Add every other Islamic state into that mix.
I don’t know which news sides you use but use some fact checkers as well. They aren’t perfect but here is a US based list: https://guides.lib.berkeley.edu/c.php?g=620677&p=4333407
Also, when you start doubting media, I found this quite important: https://stratcomcoe.org/
This is NATO analysis of strategies used by several organisations and countries.
https://stratcomcoe.org/publications/hybrid-threats-hamas-use-of-human-shields-in-gaza/87
Here you can find a PDF that explains how Hamas is using human shields and what media coverage has to do with their strategy in particular.
Also, simply to bring in some statistics, there are 16.1 million Jews worldwide. And 9.37 million Israelis. No one cares for this tiny minority unless they are battling extinction again.
Germans please stop projecting your guilt for attempting to colonize and exterminate your way across Asia onto the people resisting a colonizing force.
That’s because you ignore everything that has happened in Palestine unless it’s connected to Israel.
It has nothing to do with “Jews controlling the world” or other conspiracy theories. It’s that when you are living in a “western” culture you are more aligned with the culture of Israel (women’s rights, rights for LGBTQ people, at least the hope for democracy, protection of citizens instead of using them as propaganda tools, etc.).
That is why many western politicians and media rather reluctantly call out Israel on it’s war crimes.
Imagine when what many seem to wish comes true and Israel is abolished. The whole area becomes Palestine. Then we will have another country where people suffer under a religious zealot leadership. No rights for women or LGBTQ, no schools that educate their children to become free thinkers, no democracy or working for a better future, etc.
