• filister@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I wonder how much more Gazans need to suffer? Seriously, what does Israel in Gaza is completely and utterly inhumane and you would expect for a country that has the pretense to be a democracy to never allow this!

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        7 months ago

        The power imbalance changes that. It would be like if the proud boys started a terrorist campaign out of Brooklyn and started attacking Manhattan. Would the appropriate response be to bomb Brooklyn?

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          7 months ago

          So you are implying we should always adapt to the weaker side? Do you have a remembrance day for the Nazis which were killed while being pushed back to Germany by a disproportionate force?

          Sorry, but when you have a terrorists attacking your state, it’s crucial to make sure attacks like 7th October don’t happen again.

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        7 months ago

        You are missing the fact that this conflict isn’t from last month, it was brewing for quite some time. And blaming only one of the sides for the current situation isn’t also very accurate. Both sides are complicit, but what Israel is doing right now in Gaza is inexcusable, they are inflicting mass punishment for more than 2M civilians and causing a humanitarian catastrophe. One would expect a bit more from a country claiming to be lawful and democratic.

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          7 months ago

          I know the conflict is on for 70+ years and that both sides have done a lot of bad.

          You are saying that Israel caused humanitarian catastrophe. Now tell me a war which could not be considered a humanitarian disaster. It’s also impossible to get rid of terrorists and have zero civilian causalities when Gaza is very small and there are 2 million people living there. Unlike Hamas, they are giving some warnings to citizens.

          Apart from that, Hamas has been in Gaza for 18 years. Throughout those 18 years they were consistently destroying lives of everyone who lived there. Why no one complained about the lives of Gazans when they have already been destroyed for almost 2 decades?

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            7 months ago

            Oh great, how would you feel if someone bombed your home but warned you about it. And then it continues bombing the whole neighbourhood and then city. And you are displaced with nowhere to go. But this someone has not finished with you, he then says, for the pretext that a couple of bad guys in your country, he will cut your fuel, food, access to drinking water, electricity and then telecommunication services, because you know those bad guys can steal it.

            Oh and by the way, you are now sheltering in an overcrowded tent with 80 more people. This someone also decides that you don’t deserve to have even a hospital, so he closes that hospital, oh and he also bombs around your tent, just because he can. Just that this time, there is nowhere to bring the injured people. Winter is coming, temperatures are going down, the situation becomes pretty tense, you are struggling every day to provide food to your family. Your kids are waking up in the middle of the night and crying and asking you why they cannot go back home and play with their own toys and are starving. But this guy refuses to give you a break. And mind you, you personally didn’t do anything bad to this guy, absolutely nothing, but still he doesn’t stop and tells you that all of this is justified because of those bad guys. Your kids are getting sick and one day after unsuccessful food hunt you come back to your tent and see your kids dead and your wife injured.

            So ELI5 how exactly would you feel, because I am pretty sure you haven’t gone through such a nightmare in your life.

            Oh and this is pretty much the reality for the people in Gaza. They don’t know if today won’t be their last day. They are dehumanized, with nowhere to go or escape from this nightmare. They are trapped in this small piece of land and are desperate, wondering what they did to deserve this.

            And if you think this isn’t wrong then I can only feel sorry about you!

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              7 months ago

              You are saying how Gaza inhabitants suffer but do you realize this was done to Israelis, as well? Thousands of them were killed, women got raped and children were separated from their parents. That’s the unfortunate truth of every war. Hence why I believe all wars are terrible.

              Apart from that, I agree that people in Gaza suffer on daily basis. But is it because of Israel? I refuse to believe it. If Israel wanted, they would destroy gaza within a week, yet they haven’t done it. Are you aware of the fact that people living in Gaza have zero human rights, children are taught to kill Jews before they can talk, they live in catastrophic and have nowhere to hide because all money is spent on tunnels and Hamas’s weapons. This is all Hamas’s fault. They are given extraordinary amounts of money and if they used it well, they could have had a prosperous Mediterranean city. Don’t tell me this happens because of Israel. They left Gaza in 2005.

              Do I think it is wrong? Absolutely YES! I would love to see the state of Palestine which cares about something else than annihilation of all Jews. I honestly believe Palestinian people deserve something else than a terrorist government. Unfortunately, this is easier said than done because the population is already very radicalized.

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    7 months ago

    Despite the Israeli military’s claims on November 5, 2023, of “Hamas’s cynical use of hospitals,” no evidence put forward would justify depriving hospitals and ambulances of their protected status under international humanitarian law.

    No evidence would? That does not fit with my information.

    According to this other article:

    International humanitarian law lends hospitals special protections during war. But hospitals can lose their protections if combatants use them to hide fighters or store weapons, the International Committee of the Red Cross said.

    If there’s a valid military target there, the IDF can prove it, measures are taken to minimize harm to civilians, and the response isn’t considered disproportionate, it appears that it is quite legal under international law to attack belligerents hiding in hospitals and it loses its protected status. However, it seems there’s disagreement whether Israel has met these standards.