Consumers across Europe no longer want to travel to big car-dependent hypermarkets on the edge of cities to buy food and goods. Here’s why.
This community exists as a sister community/copycat community to the r/fuckcars subreddit.
This community exists for the following reasons:
You can find the Matrix chat room for this community here.
Be nice to each other. Being aggressive or inflammatory towards other users will get you banned. Name calling or obvious trolling falls under that. Hate cars, hate the system, but not people. While some drivers definitely deserve some hate, most of them didn’t choose car-centric life out of free will.
No bigotry or hate. Racism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, homophobia, chauvinism, fat-shaming, body-shaming, stigmatization of people experiencing homeless or substance users, etc. are not tolerated. Don’t use slurs. You can laugh at someone’s fragile masculinity without associating it with their body. The correlation between car-culture and body weight is not an excuse for fat-shaming.
Stay on-topic. Submissions should be on-topic to the externalities of car culture in urban development and communities globally. Posting about alternatives to cars and car culture is fine. Don’t post literal car fucking.
No traffic violence. Do not post depictions of traffic violence. NSFW or NSFL posts are not allowed. Gawking at crashes is not allowed. Be respectful to people who are a victim of traffic violence or otherwise traumatized by it. News articles about crashes and statistics about traffic violence are allowed. Glorifying traffic violence will get you banned.
No reposts. Before sharing, check if your post isn’t a repost. Reposts that add something new are fine. Reposts that are sharing content from somewhere else are fine too.
No misinformation. Masks and vaccines save lives during a pandemic, climate change is real and anthropogenic - and denial of these and other established facts will get you banned. False or highly speculative titles will get your post deleted.
No harassment. Posts that (may) cause harassment, dogpiling or brigading, intentionally or not, will be removed. Please do not post screenshots containing uncensored usernames. Actual harassment, dogpiling or brigading is a bannable offence.
Please report posts and comments that violate our rules.
This is actually an older ARTE documentary. Not sure when I saw it first but probably 2015ish?
The problem is not so much that people don’t use these super-stores anymore, but rather that food items alone have a too low margins to support these capital intensive super-stores and the high-margin non-food items have largely moved to online shops.
@poVoq @firstname.lastname@example.org Here’s the link for people following along on Mastodon: https://youtu.be/ymxG4wOP7fk
What you said is interesting, because in Australia we’ve pretty much avoided the all-in-one hypermarket model. As in, the general merchandise department stores remain separate to the supermarkets.
We have two chains (Coles and Woolworths) that, between them, make up around 80% of the supermarket market. And unlike the US, most suburban shopping centres have stores from both chains.
Anyway, from your experience, has there been a move away from hypermarkets in Europe?
Here in Europe the mixed shopping mall model has seen a similar decline though. Sure, the food only super-market chains in them are still surviving on the lower margin, but the other shops around them are slowly dying and the entire model is probably not going to survive another decade.
What we see instead is a no-frills budget super-market model (not quite hyper-market like) like ALDI/LIDL that can survive on low margins (but is exploiting farmers and other suppliers) and the small inner-city stores on a 7eleven model that charge significantly higher prices across all items. And of course a lot of online shopping especially in the more rural area, which comes with it’s own set of problems.
@poVoq I don’t know anyone living in rural areas any longer, but last I remember there was no village without something called “mixt shop” (magazin mixt) - that is, a local small store with various food and household stuff.
As people in rural areas mostly do farming, they do not really need that many fruits and vegetables, and eggs (sometimes even drinks), as they can source them from their own land (although they are still sold there though). Some people also sell their stuff directly, in front of their houses. For example, if you drive along when there’s the season, you can also get some watermenlons on a budget.
@petrescatraian @poVoq Is that roughly akin to a general store?
Here, there are still many small towns with a local supermarket that gets its products distributed by IGA or Foodworks, but in any town above around 1000 people, Coles or Woolworths have moved in and taken over.
Up until about 20 or 30 years ago, we also used to have small grocery stores (called milk bars) in most local shopping strips in the big metro areas, but they’ve also been crushed by the big supermarket chains.
IGA seems like a Mega Image (translated URL) but with more CSR and Foodworks seems like the same thing but with only local (australian) food (don’t know if that’s the case. Digging deeper, I find that the closest thing that we have here is something called La Doi Pași (roughly translating as two-steps away - it’s an expression we use for everything that lies in close proximity to you, whether those two-steps are actually 20-30m, 200m etc.) - that is, regarding the coverage in rural areas. Otherwise, yea, those were general stores, totally independent from each other.
Was that a thing? Wow, our malls always were just one supermarket from a well-known chain and the rest was mostly clothing stores, a food court and a cinema.
@poVoq The response in Australia from the big two supermarket chains has basically been to cut back their range. In most product categories, you’ll now find just the supermarket brand, and maybe one or two other brands.
Aldi and CostCo have entered the Australian market, but they’re only relatively small players. Ironically, there used to be a couple of fairly strong discount supermarket chains (Franklin’s No Frills and BiLo) around 20 years ago, but they ended up being bought out by the big chains, and now no longer exist.
With shopping centres, one of the differences between Melbourne and Sydney is that in Sydney, almost all of the big ones (with a few exceptions) are right next door to a train station. In Melbourne, only a few are.
Obviously, the ones next to train stations seem to be performing better. Most are anchored by both of the major supermarkets, which seems to drive foot traffic.
The other trend that’s emerged in the past year or so is that some shopping centres are getting redeveloped to include offices and apartments, because land is so expensive.
Box Hill Central is an example: https://www.urban.com.au/news/vic/vicinity-secures-approval-for-first-stage-of-box-hill-central-redevelopment
New centres like Central Park in Sydney also have apartments: https://www.domain.com.au/news/fairytale-ending-the-last-piece-of-sydneys-central-park-puzzle-is-ready-20160729-gqdskn/