• Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk
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    Same with visiting almost any website.

    Then

    1. Click on link to website.
    2. Read website.

    Now

    1. Click on link to website.
    2. Click on Cookie options.
    3. Scroll down looking for ‘Reject All’.
    4. Discover there is no ‘Reject All’.
    5. Scroll back through list turning off all optional cookies.
    6. Scroll back to the bottom to click on ‘Confirm my choices’.
    7. Hunt for the close X on the ‘Subscribe to our newsletter’ pop-up.
    8. Click on the close X on the ‘Subscribe to our newsletter’ pop-up.
    9. Read the website.
    10. Discover the website is just more AI generated SEO garbage.
    11. Go outside, walk on the grass barefoot, weep for the future of humanity.
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    Vote with your mouse-clicks and don’t use Google. Enough people leave they’ll either change or become irrelevant like so many before them.

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      I haven’t used Google in about 3 years. I use duckduckgo and I just eventually figured out how to use it, you have to be a little more specific but I can get what I’m looking for straight away these days. I’m aware they’re not private anymore since they got bought out but I use technology like this with the assumption any data that can be collected, is collected, and will be sold off at some point, so don’t search anything you wouldn’t want your grandmother knowing about lol.

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        I swapped to ddg about a year ago. I’ve noticed their search results are not the greatest either. There is so much spam and paid articles that make it to the top search results I often end up frustrated trying to find what I’m looking for.

        The Internet really is enshittified.

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          To be fair I think DDG has improved marginally over the years while Google is simply shit now. I feel like spam sites are quite prevalent on Google but less so on DDG.

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          I’ve been using it for years at this point, and I really prefer it to google. For most of my common/easy searches, it gets what I want pretty reliably. Occasionally I’ll have more obscure searches where I do have to switch back to Google, but honestly Google feels less and less helpful for that as time goes on. To add, DDG has bangs which are just wonderfully handy. Turning your search into a google search is as simple as adding “!g” to your query, and it’ll redirect the search. There are tons of other ones too, it’s a really nice feature that makes DDG more convenient in a lot of cases. Very much worth trying out at least

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          It’s really good these days. Kagi is still the beat, but if you want free, DDG is the way to go.

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            I’ll have to give this kagi a shot I never heard of it! DDG just doesn’t ever seem give me what I want and I’ve been trying it forever. It’s like I’m always playing this cat and mouse game with the search engine and it just gives me alllllmost what I want but not quite.

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              It’s not free, but I find it worthwhile. I really hope Apple includes it as a default engine in the next update.

              Kagi doesn’t sell you shit, so if you use Google for that, you can’t get that replacement data:

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          Free Google (& other) proxy: SearXNG

          Further reading / Instances: Searx.space

          One good instance: SearXNG.site


          For basic searches (kinda a Bing reseller with disappointing results): DuckDuckGo

          Vote-with-your-wallet alternative: Kagi (who may have astroturfed or may have not, but great engine at $10/mo unlimited - have tried their free trial)

          Comments of mine RE: why everybody’s just reselling search ($1b+/yr to operate your own crawler): one and two

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          It struggles when you have more than one word, it will ignore context and give you results with maximum number of either word. Still better than Google at this point, though.

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          works fine for me, and their implementation of AI (only letting it use wikipedia and maybe some select other sources) is pretty nice IMO, perfect for answering questions like “how many people live in X Y Z cities in total?”.

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        Same, but lately Bing fucked with their pricing, and now the search results are usually garbage. I have to go re-search the query in Google way too often.

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        You can also look into Ghostery private search also. I’ve been using it some and it appears to be at least as good as DDG. YMMV

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    Been like this for years now, I jumped ship 4 years ago to DuckDuckGo, might even jump that ship if it gets any worse, but alternatives…

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      I tried using DDG for about 3 months, until I had to ditch it. I want to use it, but its results are even worse than Googles.

      While on Google I might have to scroll past the ads, sponsored links and obvious AI blog results, the first page will usually at least contain a relevant result somewhere, whereas DDG simply doesn’t bother to show any relevant results at all. Even on it’s first page, it will stray far from the actual search term.

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      Great! Everyone should try the free tier just to have a look at alternatives. To be honest after a few weeks and several specific searches I’m not ready to do the switch though.

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      Part of the issue isn’t just that they added garbage, it’s that sites got better at targeting the algorithm. It’s like recipe websites that started to add stories because the algorithm prioritized that. No one was asking for it, but the algorithm was broken in unexpected ways and exploited.

      So, someone could make a new search engine with a different algorithm. If it becomes successful though, it’s only a matter of time before it becomes targeted and manipulated.

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        So, someone could make a new search engine with a different algorithm. If it becomes successful though, it’s only a matter of time before it becomes targeted and manipulated.

        I can think of a solution to this. Once your new search engine is starting to get targeted, you find out who is offering these SEO services. Then you hire a gang of thugs to beat the living shit out of them.

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          I was actually thinking of a real way to fix it, and I think it’s partially solvable. First you add noise and length preferences (short or long) to the search. Then you make those customizable by the user, so everyone can have different settings. If everyone is using different settings, you can only optimize for what is shared. Obviously the issue is of there becomes a “meta” for search settings, then it doesn’t work.

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    That’s the neat part, you don’t.

    The top results have been useless spam for a decade or more at this point, and the only difference is Google sit there hoovering up the money instead. The money is in the way of search. Any popular search engine will end up the same way.

    It’s a shite situation, but until somebody makes a non-profit search engine and filters out spammy results, we’ll continue to Google, scroll down two pages for a reddit link, and carry on.

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      I rarely trust top results from google, since I’m uncertain if I somehow missed the tiny gray text saying that it’s an add.

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        Yeah, that shit is illegal where I live and search engines do it anyways. Unfortunately not enough lawsuits…

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        That’s exactly how you make money in the search engine world - by not knowing what your paying customers do.

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      lol google ads never had moderation or need for approval.

      I once continuously kept getting porn in my ads disguised as a mobile game (and I was underage at the time). Ads themselves were graphic and included genitals. Reported it every time I saw it, took it at least a week to disappear.

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    I’m honestly amazed no one’s sued google over the site telling them things like “Jump off a bridge if you’re depressed” or that products have been recalled that haven’t

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    this is wrong, because today you won’t find the thing you’re looking for at all. Just 100 results where one word of your 5 word query vaguely matches.

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      And then you notice that your search term was “corrected” to something completely different. Looking at you too, Amazon.

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        Fuuuuuuuck Amazon is even worse, if that’s possible. You used to be able to search for a product and would get that as the first result or at least on the first page. Now, they just return shit that is vaguely related but is a paid sponsor or someone manipulating their search algorithms.

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      but this doesn’t depict results you’re looking for in “now” unless you assume it is a product search.

      edit: I see the yellow is supposed to be the same result. I am ashamed

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    I’ve just switch from DDG to Qwant. I didn’t do research about how they make there algorithm but DDG that IS to say Being was returning me unrelated stuff and even things I ask not to see in my request. The result is not amazing quality but no more amazingly bad quality.

    I want to learn more about search algorithm, what there referencement politic is and what use of AI they have. It not possible today to pick a search engin algorithm randomly and get pertinent résultat like it was two years ago.

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    Stop using Google.

    And Microsoft. And Apple. And Amazon. And every single corporation that cares more about money and stealing people’s privacy than serving you.

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        Yep!

        It’s all trash these days. We’re having to just avoid the worst of it while preparing for the rest of it to also suck so bad that we have to find even more alternatives, and then just throw our computers away at the end or at least go back to computing where it wasn’t all about stealing data, long, long ago.

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      I get where you’re coming from, but I also feel like I might get kind of bored and I wonder how I’m going to get that hot sauce from Alabama that I like. I’ll give up on a lot of my ideals and trade a LOT of frustration for artisanal hot sauces.

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      So, do you suggest just not using computers altogether?

      Getting some cheap Nokia for the cellphone and be done with it? (Ig a refurbished IBM ThinkPad with FOSS on it is also fine)

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      It might protect you from a lot of Google’s shit show but it won’t show you good results too.

      Kagi is the only usable search engine for me right now. Yes, it’s not free. I needed a whole year to convince myself to pay for searching but I finally did it and it is absolutely worth it. I’m a SE though, so searching stuff is like half my job.

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        I’m with you. At first I thought it was getting shilled, but the search results are great. I also bought a 12 month subscription to Nebula. I’m giving these services a go and see if they can replace all the enshitified services.

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        Talks about some search engine no one has heard of before that sounds Chinese or something

        Yeah, nyah I think I’ll stick with DuckDuckGo, which has never failed to find me what I was searching for if it exists on the Internet, and oh by the way costs me nothing to use.

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          Well, sure. If it works for you then by all means keep using it.

          I’m just recommending a service which I find very useful. I actually first heard about it on Lemmy and I’m grateful for the recommendation so I spread the word in hope of helping someone else.

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      I thought everyone was overreacting until I used Google on the computers at my college and I realised that DDG had been insulating me from all that horror. Thank goodness I switched when I did.